Hey, Most kung fu styles I have seen has elbows. CLF uses elbows. The Lee Koon Hung Lineage we have a form called Tit Jin which has plenty of elbows. Come to think of it, most of our forms has elbows.
Baji uses elbows. Right from the first small form.
Mantis also uses elbows. Are you not a Mantis guy Earth dragon? What about the form 8 Elbows?
I’ve seen Hung gar which uses elbows too.
Kung Fu is not as limited as we may think.
Ed
sorry spj, never saw your threat.
wolfen,
perhaps you are refferring to 8-12lbs to hyperextend. it takes much more than that to actually break the ulna from the humerus apadextum. Hyperextention happens very easily, even the tennis elbow syndrom is simply from swinging the racket with an extented arm.
Heh, first thing I thought when I read the topic was “elbows down, elbows down!”.
Pai Lum certianly has elbows. They are very effective weapons.
Yes it does, doesn’t it. And it’s very creative with them, too.
Not diputing the easy in which joints and bones can be broken. We specialize in trapping, locking and breaking in mantis, it how we fight. I was under the impression it was more like 80 to 100 lbs per sq in. I do know it 900 per sq in" to break the neck. In the scenario you expalined we have a simliar technique to dislocate the shoulder, we hold the extended wrist and roll counter clockwise over the back of our opponent and our fallign and rolling weight dislocates the shoulder, but I dont think you could to the same damage with muscle strength.
Most close contact styles of kung fu I’ve encountered use elbows and these considered to be most lethal weapon.
It’s hard not to elbow an opponent when you’ve managed to come into close contact with him. Closing the gap is another problem but I guess that’s a whole new discussion as well…
Don’t forget about Baji Quan and it’s famous (or infamous to some) elbow attacks. I can’t really tell how many elbow strikes are there in Baji Quan yet, but so far I have learned 3 kind one being the centre elbow strike “ding xing zhou”, the outer elbow strike or " Wai meng ding zhou" and the one that cause the most damage is the raising elbow strike, it is slow but extreme powerful as it uses your sinking force to generate power.
lost oath, how long in mantis? what style and with whom? as in lineage
I think that using the elbows is degrading to women
loL! That’s harsh man. :eek:
I love the ****. Originally posted by MasterKiller
fukking priceless, looks like someone finally outed you MK.
Since when were elbows hard to block?
Originally posted by red5angel
Since when were cocks hard to blow?
sorry man, can’t copy 7*'s moment of brilliance…
Re: fragile elbows
Originally posted by wolfen
Elbows are broken so easily, only 8-12 pounls of pressure if you get it extended.
Not being funny, but who’s measured it, and when did they tell the International Hapkido Federation? I’m always dubious about these measurements, esp when some teacher who works by day as a car mechanic or something tells you… nothing against car mechanics, but I don’t want them telling me about my body… :rolleyes:
Plus, we’re talking about elbow strikes, which is gonna be using a bent elbow. I would guess, from exp and what I’ve seen, that a bent elbow is extremely difficult to break, and furthermore, even being grabbed and twisted, a bent elbow is gonna be extremely difficult to straighten prior to breaking before you can get another tasty strike in.
If anything, from what you are saying the punch, with its danger of overextension and kungfuers’ prediliction for keeping it out will be more vulnerable to the grab and break than the elbow.
But the cauton in doing elbow strikes is to be careful of the hand position. I keep it curled up and in a little.
I figure if you concentrate more on your elbow position (ie. in your opponent’s face) and less on your hand position, the possibility of the opponent grabbing and devastatingly ‘twisting’ your arm is going to be less of a problem!
The elbow is guided by the hand position.
How? I would think the elbow is guided by my footwork, my body position and my connections from heel/ball of foot through my knees, my waist, my shoulders and out into my opponent’s body rather than my hand…
I think if the hand position is loose or badly positioned, it is very vulnerable to being grabbed in counterattack and the atttacker getting his arm twisted.
Do people think this detail is important?
Frankly, no not really.
Like any good attack, elbows are very difficult to block… and furthermore, there shouldn’t be a counterattack because you should be following up with another attack.
Like any good attack, elbows are very difficult to block… and furthermore, there shouldn’t be a counterattack because you should be following up with another attack.
Not so much dificult as tricky. You don’t see them comming as easily, because they aren’t “launched” like a punch of kick. But a good X-block takes care of them just fine, if you can get it in place fast enough. It will also set you up well for you to counter with your own elbow strike.
Originally posted by Becca
Not so much dificult as tricky. You don’t see them comming as easily, because they aren’t “launched” like a punch of kick. But a good X-block takes care of them just fine, if you can get it in place fast enough. It will also set you up well for you to counter with your own elbow strike.
I’m not saying they are unblockable, but I would say if the elbow-thrower is a in a good psoition to throw in the first place it should be very very difficult to block. No kind of elbow that I’d want to be throwing would be stoppable by an x-block, and I’m a bit unsure of what kind of x-block you mean that could deal with any kind of elbow in the right range.
The way I’ve done them an elbow should always be a short range weapon,
to be used…
before a throw or after an opp for a throw has been fluffed up,
right from the inside into the body,
dropped on a low shot coming in,
rolled over from a deflection over the top of an incoming high shot into the head (controlling the incoming arm)
when the arm has been seized and at least partially wrapped and the elbow goes backwards into the neck/side of the head/face
from the clinch.
I don’t see what kind of x-block you could use in those sits…
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'Spossible. I have discovered that some of the moves I know are executed slightly different to how most peeps on this board do it. Also, my idea of a good close-in position has me at a 45` angle from my opponant. From that angle, an X-block is very easy to use against an elbow strike.
but I would say if the elbow-thrower is a in a good psoition to throw in the first place it should be very very difficult to block.
but I would say if the kick-thrower is in a good position to throw in the first place it should be very very difficult to block…
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but I would say if the punch-thrower is in a good position…
That’s a big IF in my opinion. In my experience, elbows aren’t any hard to block then anything else. You could say that since elbows are fairly close ranged weapons, they often get snuck in, but so do short kicks and punches. The problem I see mroe often then not is although elbows are easy to throw when close in, most people can’t get the proper power generation to make them worth throwing half the time anyway. You end up being so tied in that unless, like any other technique, you have the advantage, they are not any more unblockable then anything else. Hell, I’d even go so far as to say a good fighter who is in elbow range is probably anticipating those elbow shots cause they can be so effective if used properly.
I’d even go so far as to say a good fighter who is in elbow range is probably anticipating those elbow shots cause they can be so effective if used properly.
I second this. Also all that about not being able to get good power generation to make elbows work. But same problem is what can make blocking a good one tricky. You almost have to expect it and already have the block set up.
This is why I like the X-block in close. The power in this block comes from torqing the hips. The block itself covers most of the trunk of the body and is, by it’s very nature, in close to the body. It is also good for deflecting almost any kind of strike, assuming you actually train to know how to use it that way.