Yes lets all stop thinking and start knowing :rolleyes:
Anyone like to translate what GM Chen Xiao says at 1.20/1.42 ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldH40uF_f28
Is is about “rooting” into ground…etc?
Or is it about the six or eight directional vector force?
[QUOTE=Hendrik;932593]Anyone like to translate what GM Chen Xiao says at 1.20/1.42 ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldH40uF_f28
Is is about “rooting” into ground…etc?
Or is it about the six or eight directional vector force?[/QUOTE]
I have no audio, but I can see from when Sifu Chen was being pushed( standing on leg) Sifu Chen was able to redirect the force from his partner back to him ,so in essence he was pushing himself. other times he sifu Chen was directing the force into his root and into the ground.
[QUOTE=stonecrusher69;932610]I have no audio,
but I can see from when Sifu Chen was being pushed( standing on leg)
Sifu Chen was able to redirect the force from his partner back to him ,so in essence he was pushing himself.
other times he sifu Chen was directing the force into his root and into the ground.[/QUOTE]
Is what you think what he is doing? Find out.
You see, cooking sand cannot make rice. A wrongly train YJKYM, SLT/SNT disregard how sound is the theory or Sifu says is a kissed of death. IMHO
here is a chat between my close WCner friend and me.
Take it for what it worth.
Hendrik,
this is probably a better clip from Chen XW with some more explaining and thanks for the subtitle too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J85ARLul9h8&feature=related
However, I feel that Ju Dai Tong’s demo has a different emphasis. Opponent’s force does not even enter the body, so what root? what 8 face support?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj1DoQ04sx8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EBcwpvJyuk&NR=1
DY,
The CXW is the basic.
The Ju Dai Tong is the Hua (disolve) state after the CXW.
Thus, it is said, The Young Chuan is not the root, the waist is not the master, the spine similar to willow, one hand spread become thousands of hand.
One cant jump step from the CXW state to JDT state. It is impossible. only when one is very very fluent with the 6/8 force vectors one let go into the silence and enter the Hua State.
Thus, The Using Silence to lead action of WCK is not as what the general think. it is the Hua State stuffs.
But now, if one doesnt even know the 6/8 direction force basic stuffs and stuck with the stupid rooting concept, it is hopeless.
I am sorry if I shattered some of your’s dream on the rooting. IMHO, to know now is better then putting another 10 years and found out later it cant sustain a BJJ take down. Face it most YJKYM or SLT training was going a wrong direction and it wont work.
Best Regards
[QUOTE=Hendrik;932674]I am sorry if I shattered some of your’s dream on the rooting. IMHO, to know now is better then putting another 10 years and found out later it cant sustain a BJJ take down. Face it most YJKYM or SLT training was going a wrong direction and it wont work.
Best Regards[/QUOTE]
BJJ takedowns suck.
[QUOTE=Violent Designs;932676]BJJ takedowns suck.[/QUOTE]
That is their issues.
The issue here is if one has a reasonable training which can deal with it instead of lots of lips service in the name of TCMA or sifu says or …etc which doesnt work even in the first order.
Do you have a solution?
[QUOTE=Hendrik;932674]I am sorry if I shattered some of your’s dream on the rooting. IMHO, to know now is better then putting another 10 years and found out later it cant sustain a BJJ take down. Face it most YJKYM or SLT training was going a wrong direction and it wont work.
Best Regards[/QUOTE]
you misunderstand. “rooting” doesnt make you invincible against all takedowns and it is not supposed to, but it can help.
lowering your center of gravity and angling properly can only help against takedowns
[QUOTE=Pacman;932685]you misunderstand. “rooting” doesnt make you invincible against all takedowns and it is not supposed to, but it can help.
lowering your center of gravity and angling properly can only help against takedowns[/QUOTE]
1, no one talk about invincible here.
2,
want to share what is rooting? how is it work? and how is it help in a dynamic situation? and how do you root with your YJKYM? and SNT/SLT?
rooting
The people I’ve played hand with who talk about rooting always do the same thing:
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They demonstrate rooting from their format of playing such as chi sao. They don’t seem to deviate because their rules are only true in their equations.
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They uprooted me only when I was touching them.
I challenge the rooters of this thread to put sparring gear on and go at it with people instead of just doing their normal format. It’s not so easy to uproot someone who isn’t giving you a bridge to do so.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;932679]That is their issues.
The issue here is if one has a reasonable training which can deal with it instead of lots of lips service in the name of TCMA or sifu says or …etc which doesnt work even in the first order.
Do you have a solution?[/QUOTE]
Your posts show you have very little understanding of traditional BJJ techniques, strengths and weaknesses.
[QUOTE=Violent Designs;932693]Your posts show you have very little understanding of traditional BJJ techniques, strengths and weaknesses.[/QUOTE]
ok.
Please enlightent me.
In my opinion Rooting in Wing Chun is not designed to uproot but it is design to generate power in your strikes, add jing to your strikes and give you a stable bridge that can deflect or intercept a hard attack.
[QUOTE=MysteriousPower;932691]The people I’ve played hand with who talk about rooting always do the same thing:
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They demonstrate rooting from their format of playing such as chi sao. They don’t seem to deviate because their rules are only true in their equations.
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They uprooted me only when I was touching them.
I challenge the rooters of this thread to put sparring gear on and go at it with people instead of just doing their normal format. It’s not so easy to uproot someone who isn’t giving you a bridge to do so.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;932695]In my opinion Rooting in Wing Chun is not designed to uproot but it is design to generate power in your strikes, add jing to your strikes and give you a stable bridge that can deflect or intercept a hard attack.[/QUOTE]
These are all good points. A strong root can be used in many ways including up-rooting.
Yoshiyahu In my opinion Rooting in Wing Chun is not designed to uproot but it is design to generate power in your strikes, add jing to your strikes and give you a stable bridge that can deflect or intercept a hard attack.
Great!
Originally Posted by Violent Designs View Post
Your posts show you have very little understanding of traditional BJJ techniques, strengths and weaknesses.
Excellent!
stonecrusher69
These are all good points. A strong root can be used in many ways including up-rooting.
Super!
Originally Posted by Pacman View Post
you misunderstand. “rooting” doesnt make you invincible against all takedowns and it is not supposed to, but it can help.
lowering your center of gravity and angling properly can only help against takedowns
marvelous!
Now, could anyone tell me what is this ROOTING is about
and how is it usefull at all as in the following clip?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjK0g-cDJI4
Until then, as a customer, I love to buy yours product — ROOTING. But what is it? What is it for?
Please enligthen me.
Thanks.
Also, I am just very curious about Rooting when dealing with these Kyokushin?
Rooting is as simple as taking breath. If you stand erect and push a heavy object, you will exert force in one direction and then in the oposite direction equally. You will shove yourself over backwards. By placing a foot behind you, you become rooted. Simple as that.
You can improve this root by dropping your center of gravity and aligning your limbs. When you brace like that, the force that is being equal in the opposite direction will then deflect back and follow course with the original direction of force. I feel that it is safe to assume that your force is taken in half when you are not rooted, and the simple act of bracing or rooting will focus all of your expended energy in one direction, thereby, increasing the power of your hand thrusts.
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;932717]Rooting is as simple as taking breath. If you stand erect and push a heavy object, you will exert force in one direction and then in the oposite direction equally. You will shove yourself over backwards. By placing a foot behind you, you become rooted. Simple as that.
You can improve this root by dropping your center of gravity and aligning your limbs. When you brace like that, the force that is being equal in the opposite direction will then deflect back and follow course with the original direction of force. I feel that it is safe to assume that your force is taken in half when you are not rooted, and the simple act of bracing or rooting will focus all of your expended energy in one direction, thereby, increasing the power of your hand thrusts.[/QUOTE]
If that is rooting, then everyone knows including the WCner to the BJJ, and in fact the Bjj might know even more since they are the expert in push and pull and submissive… So ?
What is big deal about rooting and how to do it in YJKYM?
for me, I would not buy a product which sell me nothing. So, I hope someone answer my questions above on the product they are marketing.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;932687]want to share what is rooting? how is it work? and how is it help in a dynamic situation? and how do you root with your YJKYM? and SNT/SLT?[/QUOTE]
Rooting does not mean you have to remain completely stationary for the entire duration of the fight.
Rooting refers to the ability to position your body in such a way that a force coming at you (whether back through your own fist or via a guy trying to take you down) is redirected toward the ground.
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the tucked pelvis of YJKYM straightens the spine and the angles of your feet and knees redirect force towards the ground. if you are rooted correctly and you punch a bag, you will feel the stress of the back hitting back at you in your legs. if you are not rooted you will feel your upper body being pushed back.
if the force is directed towards your leg and to the ground, you can also push back from the ground, which for argument’s sake is very solid. this is why it is often said that punching power comes from the legs.
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So you can hop around while you fight, and when it is time to strike, you can take root and “grip the ground” with your feet for that strike.
or when someone tries to take you down, you can sink yourself and lower your center of gravity to withstand the tackle.
t_niehoff’s example of kickboxers etc having root because they are all touching the ground is foolish at best. rooting is not about standing on the ground, it is about the redirection of force