np, any time. sux when you cant see a link that is part of the discussion.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1083667]I am still having trouble accessing these links..:([/QUOTE]
I don’t understand why you can’t see those pictures. There are just some pictures upload on the internet by ImageShake.
http://img847.imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img847/6121/kungfudemo.jpg&via=mupload
You should be able to see all those pictures on the thread in RSF forum.
http://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11960&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=30
i will post the image for him.
[QUOTE=Lucas;1083708]i will post the image for him.
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Thank you for posting, but the image I get is that of a lemon colored frog sitting in a blue ice cube. Underneath it says, “domain unregistered to view…”.
I am going to find a way to register. That way I should be able to see the pictures.
Hmmmm that’s odd
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1083663]I was trying to point out the “intention” of the TCMA weight training. The intention is not trying to build up big muscle but to “enhance” certain skill.
No matter how many reps that you work out on this drill, you won’t be able to build big muscle.
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7958/canebundle.jpg[/QUOTE]
seriously are you thinking before you post, or is all your expereince with modern weight training coming from fitness 24 and its body builders
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1083648]You will never defeat Frost’s super duper modern, brand new, Olympic Weight training methods…Ya hear me!!! They are better becaue they are Modern and “scientific”, not like that old kung fu stuff that is out of date!!! Ya hear me!!! The new Western stuff is the best, the old Oriental stuff is out of date…everyone here must train modern Olympic Weight training and then go on to practice BJJ, which is the best art for fighting (and male bonding, apparently:D), Ya hear!!!
The MMA knuckleheads have spoken!!!:D[/QUOTE]
Ill try once more for you you silly stupid basement dwelling troll…if the fecking CHINESE government (and the Taiwanese) government after extensive research decided to use modern methods to train their athletes (athletes who typically have a career span of over a decade…so much for your quick and easy methods not being good over the long haul) then dont you think there might be something too them…
Of course you have studied both western and eastern methods so are qualified…oh wait no you have studied a bit of 2 rather obscure arts…so forget it
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1083652]There is a difference between “direct training” and “indirect training”. TCMA likes to use “direct training” approach. Here are some examples for “direct training”.
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/1716/singleheadleglift.jpg
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/7338/singleheadlegtwist.jpg
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7958/canebundle.jpg
http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/4936/pulley2.jpg
The following are quoted from someone’s else opinion:
To train the ability to perform a technique requires actually performing that technique. The best way to do that is to do it on a person. If you cannot find a person, find a piece of equipment that closely resembles what you would do with that person (for example, single head weight for leg twist). If you do general (either isolated or full body) resistance training it will make you stronger, but that strength will not necessarily transfer over to the technique you wish to perform.[/QUOTE]
Well said John.
The distinction between internal and external has been discussed ad nauseum, suffice to say that it is an artificial distinction that was created for one purpose and has been misunderstood over the ages.
That said, there is value to isokinetic exercises and IMA training like “pole standing” and micro and marco cosmos breathing and so forth.
The thing is that,in regards to he actual building of the strength of the muscle, progressive resistence training has proven over and over again to be the best method available.
Of course it has various sub-disciplines, aka protocols but that is because whiel for most general strength is enough, for some specific types of strength and muscle mass building is required.
Strength training is like a salad bar, you take what you like and need and leave the stuff that doesn’t interest you.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1083779]The distinction between internal and external has been discussed ad nauseum, suffice to say that it is an artificial distinction that was created for one purpose and has been misunderstood over the ages.
That said, there is value to isokinetic exercises and IMA training like “pole standing” and micro and marco cosmos breathing and so forth.
The thing is that,in regards to he actual building of the strength of the muscle, progressive resistence training has proven over and over again to be the best method available.
Of course it has various sub-disciplines, aka protocols but that is because whiel for most general strength is enough, for some specific types of strength and muscle mass building is required.
Strength training is like a salad bar, you take what you like and need and leave the stuff that doesn’t interest you.[/QUOTE]
Zhan zhuang is resistance training.
Resisting one’s own body weight against the pull of gravity in a position of disadvantageous leverage.
This entire rhetorically impoverished tautology is predicated on seeing difference where there is none. Easy enough to do when the opposing propositions are never accurately explicated.
[QUOTE=wenshu;1083794]Zhan zhuang is resistance training.
Resisting one’s own body weight against the pull of gravity in a position of disadvantageous leverage.
This entire rhetorically impoverished tautology is predicated on seeing difference where there is none. Easy enough to do when the opposing propositions are never accurately explicated.[/QUOTE]
I don’t recall saying that it WASN’T resistance training.
Didn’t mean to address you actually.
Just quoted you out of convenience since you actually reference specific techniques, unlike some.
[QUOTE=wenshu;1083794]Zhan zhuang is resistance training.
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There is a lot more to Zhan zhuang than just resistance training. The resistance part of it is just the obvious external side of this gung. There is an internal side to it, which you either know or don’t know. However, there is one thing for sure, and that is, no one is just going to tell you about this aspect of it, specially in an internet forum…
[QUOTE=Frost;1083770]I’ll try once more for you you silly stupid basement dwelling troll…if the fecking CHINESE government (and the Taiwanese) government [/QUOTE]
You should be more respectful to countries and cultures that are much more superior than yours, specially when you are posting in a forum that is dedicated to an art developed by the Chinese!
[QUOTE=Frost;1083770]after extensive research decided to use modern methods to train their athletes (athletes who typically have a career span of over a decade…[/QUOTE]
“Modern” training is good for sports activities…No one is denying that.
[QUOTE=Frost;1083770]so much for your quick and easy methods not being good over the long haul) then don’t you think there might be something too them…[/QUOTE]
We can discuss that issue when you finally decide to practice authentic kung fu and put some valid experience under your belt.
[QUOTE=Frost;1083770].oh wait no you have studied a bit of 2 rather obscure arts…so forget it[/QUOTE]
The secrets are in the study of the “obscure” arts…
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1083813]There is a lot more to Zhan zhuang than just resistance training. The resistance part of it is just the obvious external side of this gung. There is an internal side to it, which you either know or don’t know. However, there is one thing for sure, and that is, no one is just going to tell you about this aspect of it, specially in an internet forum…[/QUOTE]
It’s been written about extensively.
[QUOTE=Frost;1083769]seriously are you thinking before you post, or is all your expereince with modern weight training coming from fitness 24 and its body builders[/QUOTE]
Since I don’t know much about “modern weight training”, I try not to talk about it and just stay with what I do know. As Sanjuro Ronin said, “take what you like and need and leave the stuff that doesn’t interest you.”
[QUOTE=wenshu;1083647]I wish you could get those in the U.S.
Kettlebells do ok approximating shi suo, but it is just not the same.
I saw some forum post where someone fabricated their own but it was fairly labor intensive.[/QUOTE]
flower stone lock is done for fun. for strength training you lift heavy stone locks exactly like a dumbell.
theres no special chinese weight training. you lift things up and put them down.
[QUOTE=bawang;1083836]flower stone lock is done for fun. for strength training you lift heavy stone locks exactly like a dumbell.
theres no special chinese weight training. you lift things up and put them down.[/QUOTE]
That has been my point the whole time.
LARPing is not as much fun without the authentic accessories.
[QUOTE=bawang;1083847]http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTc2MDM2ODky.html
skip to 2:00
very internal.[/QUOTE]
I don’t think that is 100LBs, but still very good lifting.