but hold up.
if i don’t know the truth…then how do i know that DFW was teaching even before lau bun died?
has anyone ever spoken about this before? no!!! but i have people who know that he was teaching CLF before his own teacher passed away.
I got one for you? Why does DFW hate being called Jimmy when that’s his name?
Do you even know his name is Jimmy?
Um…well I am a nosey type of person so…I butt in whenever it interests (i.e. easy customer)…and fail to convince if that is your intention to any extent is more what I mean. I try to hear what you have to say because I don’t believe any one person and always want to hear all the stories before deciding.
You seem to always refer to this once incident with DFW…well maybe he walked away for other reason? Once is not enough…if he kept doing this…then that is a pattern you got him into. Then I would incline to give you the benefit of doubt.
I know I am not buddy buddy with you like many others have become. But we have had our few exchanges over the past years. Kind stings a little that you don’t care at all since I think I have made some good points over the time period. 
But I am not going to lose any sleep about that 
The truth is the truth when you two start talking. Since YOU have gone PUBLIC with your claims against his claims and he even RESPONDED publically against yours…the ball is really in your court to hit back…but then you chose not to play anymore. It’s kind of disappointing for the audience since you had the big deal about it…getting our interest…then abandoning us just when things are happening.
It makes you look like you are running away from THE TRUTH. dun dun dah!!!
Now you are asking me if it is my truth? Do I detect an ounce of care??? come on now don’t be shy. :o
Just because you know DFW was teaching prior to Lau Bun’s death…what does that mean?
I didn’t really know his name was Jimmy. I also don’t really care. What does his English name of Jimmy mean? I assume he doesn’t go by that because he doesn’t want people calling him Jimmy? That is completely his call.
Also wouldn’t it make his name James as a more proper way of refering to him? I think we should refer to people the way they want to be address…like calling DFW if he wants.
What does all this mean or change…not much if anything so far.
what does it mean?
it means he picks and chooses what he tells people. he tells people he opened his school in 1968 when he really began teaching outside HSK before his sifu died. yet that has slipped his lips for some reason. he has a way of playing with words to make things sound bigger than what they really are.
what ever you think it means. it means i am closer to the man than any of you.
it means that when he opens his mouth i’ll be there to either back it up or shoot it down. especially if it has to do with the lau bun branch.
now if you ask me questions i may answer your questions. but ask them nicely or no answer at all.
hsk
I think I’ve been nothing but curteous when asking questions, if you can point out a time I wasn’t then I apologize.
I can say for the entire time I’ve been on this forum (and every since I learned how to use the internet) I never EVER threatened anybody or ridiculed their kung fu abilities.
Can anybody else say that and mean it?
You are much closer to him then I will ever be (though ironically enough my old CLF master once instructed DFW a short period of time).
I don’t really care…I am getting kind of tired of responding though I must admit for awhile there it was really fun. I kind of enjoy communicating and learning but this…this is no longer fun.
By the way if he said he opened his school in 1968 it could still be true. Even though he instructed prior to 1968 it didn’t mean he opened a school or even instructed in a professional or official capacity.
For one thing the person that knows DFW better than you is DFW HIMSELF!!!
…sigh…I am so tired…time to go practice.
Hey Frank
How many people (or any at all ) do you think is following our exchanges?
I am surprised you have continued to replied to me so long. Thx.
You did read both of my last responses right? Just in case you only read the last one and missed the second to last. (which was more interesting)
ran away when the going gets tough huh?
to tell you the truth i just breeze thru what your write, and if something triggers me i’ll write something.
not too sure how many people are following this conversation, and as i told you before, i’m not a dik, i just don’t put up with bs.
parts of me knows you are curious, and want to discuss things. but you must realize, i’m old school gung fu, i move when the time is right.
but what does it mean?
it means that DFW will only tell you what he wants as long as it makes him look good.
come on, to say that he learned Lau Bun’s original method over his Senior Classmate by more than 20 years. that’s rediculous. What does he think Lau Bun taught Jew Leong back in the early 1940’s? he then said he had to relearn Jew Leong’s way.
why does he think he learned Lau Bun’s more authentic method? who was he?
he was just a little kid in Hung Sing. Thats all.
what does it mean, is if DFW can tell you things and cover them up with tricky words, then what else do you think he will cover up with tricky word play?
and um yes, prior to 1967 DFW was teaching in a place outside of the hung sing kwoon on his own. He had only been doing it for a few years. if you say my sifu began teaching early, well, he’d been exposed to CLF since 1956. DFW didn’t joing Lau Bun untill around 1963-64.
SO what it means is if you truly believe in everyword that comes out of DFW’s mouth, then i have a bridge to sell you.
Can you tell me where DFW lives? Can you point out his house to me? do you know where the bar he owned is? do you know what car his son would drive or even what it said on his license plate? do you know what was on the outside above the entrance doo where his son stayed?
what i’m saying to you is, yes i am more closer to him than you are or your ex clf teacher.
have you ever wondered why DFW just keeps taking on more and more new sifu’s?
Wow…I think DFW should definitely be afraid… STALKER
I’m just teasing you man don’t worry about it.
I never question that you were way closer…I am no where close at all or try to be…I just pointed out the irony of that since I never knew my old instructor did teach him briefly.
Just because Jew Leong has a new method doesn’t mean he didn’t learn the original method and over time changed it slightly to suit his use, make it his own, and maybe just the matter of time passing by. Heck maybe Lau Bun changed it a bit over time since he taught Jew Leong so long before DFW.
I think I read in your website about your sifu that each student is unique in their ability so the form would cater to their abilities at times?
Yes I just tried to force a response out of you…don’t worry about it.
you have to understand something iron Silk.
Lau Bun came to america during the early developmental stages of Jeong Yim’s CLF. While he came to america fut san continued to develop their gung fu.
Lau Bun began to develop his gung fu based on his needs, and changed the sets for many people. Jew Leong and my sifu have done this as well.
but the thing i don’t like about that is when the sets are changed to match an individual then everyone is an original. there is no standard. i feel there should be a standard then once every one got that standard, then individualistic tweaking is fine.
but to “CLAIM” he learned LAU BUN’s “original” CLF and inferring that Jew Leong must have learned something totally different.
one thing not mentioned here. Lau Bun was more likely to teach Jew Leong the real deal stuff for one reason over DFW. Proressor Jew Leong as well as Lau Bun were members of the Hop Sing Tong. DFW was not, is not. There fore, there was a more closer bond between Jew Leong and Lau Bun since they were tong brothers as well.
Lau Bun was an old man, and left it up to his seniors to teach for him. DFW was just a kid, Jew Leong been there at least 20 years before, and taught at the local Family association. See what i mean, to me it sounds like DFW is insulting Jew Leong Gung FU and trying to say he didn’t learn Lau Bun original CLF. anyone would be mad at that.
hsk
Well I have to re-read what DFW posted then about he learning Lau Bun’s original and Jew Leong learn something else.
But I think DFW could mean that b/c he is teaching under Jew Leong then he would have to specifically teach Jew Leong’s version rather than his own.
Also I’ve seen old master nearing his end would offer up materials never taught before to his remaining students out of fear it being lost forever. The reason he didn’t teach his old disciple before is because they either didn’t care for the set, had a tendancy to just hold out a bit for themselves (chinese masters tend to do that), and since their senior have gone out to the world and teach they are unlikely to come back beginning to learn more.
That;'s what I’ve seen but need not be the case for everyone.
Also I think I saw pics of your Fut San sifu with DFW in celebratory atmosphere…is that true???
Dfw Was In Fut San, And In The Common Courtesies, Dfw Gave Him A Flag.
I’m Sure He Has Nothing To Do With My Sifu In Fut San.
But On That Site There Is A Lot Of Photo’s Of Dfw Showing Up There.