what about grandmaster Doc Fai Wong.
i think his web sight and other info should be on this sight since he has alot of origional scripts and he was chosen to teach the keeper of the systems family members.So theres great grandmaster Wong Gong and Grand master Doc Fai Wong.
Posted by yak sik dik
Well, I’m a little confused to why the keeper of the style would let DFW teach CLF to their people…But I want to congratulate him on such an accomplishment.
However, I am a little ignorant to what he’s doing, so does anyone want to complete this thought?
wait a minute, i know i’ve downed the guy, but i’m serious.
this is in no way putting him down, i’ve found a whole bunch of things from asia that he is on. All i’m doing is sharing his fame with forum here in case no one has ever seen them.
and um, DJ (David J) if you read a little better you would see that the original post was from my blog by someone calling themself Yak Sik Dik.
not me. the site i’m referring to is the CLF 3 fam history site and the site is soley for the 3 founders of modern day CLF which are only chan heung, jeong yim, and tam sam.
whoever post that on my blog is the one who feels that DFW should be mentioned on that site. but dfw has nothing to do with CLF’s history. he’s not that old!!!
I will state this once and for all, and there will be NO retractions on this comment, and if he wants to speak to me or my sifu on this he may.
but DOC FAI WONG was a student of Lau Bun for a very short time as compared to how our training dictates. Since the death of his sifu (prof. Lau Bun) he has had nothing to do with the Hung Sing Branch AT ALL.
other than his short stint at helping his si-hing (Sigung Jew Leong), he has promoted himself. Sigung Jew Leong is the first successor and my sifu is the second. I have been with my sifu since 1981 and not once since then has he ever had anything to do with us. NOT ONE BIT.
Although he may be a student of Lau Bun, he DOES NOT represent the Hung SIng Kwoon, my sifu does.
As a promoter of CHOY LEE FUT, he is the man. no one out there is promoting it like he is. I give it to him, he is teaching the chan clan blood line their own CLF. That is something I can never take away from him. and for that i give him the utmost respect.
but when it comes to my branch, the one he used to belong to…he is not our representative.
to tell the truth, i wish it were the other way around. I truly wish there was no bad blood at all. but it is what it is, and I will always state the truth of the matter.
he does not promote the hung sing kwoon, he promotes Himself.
and i truly meant this with no disrespect. its just the plain truth.
all politics aside, the implication that you’re in and he’s out is the site itself and the fact that you signed your name to the documentation you present ergo working yourself and your line into position and leaving his out…and others for that matter.
Just an observation from someone outside looking in.
I will agree with you in one respect to the extent of promoting the “Hung Sing Branch” alone and by itself maybe not. But then I can’t say I’ve heard him say he only does this or that. People may be mislead by his oragnization name “Plum Blossom” but consider it’s also the name of China’s national flower also plum blossom fist series from various kung fu styles represent the"Brave Spirit" and character of the person. NowI must say this every time I spoke to the man he talked highly of Sifu and SiGung as well as Lau Bun. But just as Sifu got Sigung’s blessing to continue his studies so say’s Doc Fai Wong of SiGung Jew. On a personal training note i’m asked why I don’t anymore promote Hung Sing skills like i’ve done in the past and simply since learning some of the Chan family skills, for me it feels and flow better for me, that’s not to say I think it’s any better or worse than anything else, it’s just the other feels more comfortable for me. Now I know Doc Fai Wong still teaches Lau Bun sets, i’ve seen and know some of his students who have competed in tournaments with them and won, and to me that’s promoting Lau Bun’s skills. Now Doc Fai Wong teaches Lau Bun, King Mui and Kong Chow branches, instead of isolating a name he used a general title that’s not exclusive to any one branch, much as i’ve done, Sifu told me one time he didn’t care what I taught as long as the club name was Hung Sing, I didn’t feel that was right since I was teaching more than Choy Lee Fut and had Sifu’s prior to him, what wouldthey say?. Sifu told me once he talked to Doc Fai Wong and he was satisfied with him because he was a businessman that wanted to be successful in his endeavors. Sifu said after he heard that he had a better understanding. As for me I don’t consider myself a hung sing or chan family man only choy lee fut regardless of the branch. I took this approach mainly from hanging out with Leo Chu who studied under various teachers of both branches but he doesn’t claim any one in particular only choy lee fut. I’ve come to learn that we truly promote our skills by teaching them out thus a new generation of learners are born and the cycle continues.
i understand where you are coming from. however, your personal experience with DFW is not the focus here. I’m not going to rip on DFW anymore, as i said, he is a great promoter of CLF. That hasn’t changed the fact that he has NOTHING to do with the Hung SIng Branch anymore. That stopped when Professor Lau Bun passed away.
In my book, if DFW was so proud of his sifu, then why would he ever publicly claim his sifu was not a real or authentic master since he didn’t learn the complete Hung Sing system and something i think about paperwork.
I would never have said that. Professor Lau Bun was part of a rare breed or TRUE gung fu masters and anyone whom ever had contact with him has publicly stated so.
as the current Hung Sing Kwoon we would tell the truth about his involvement or lack there of with his old school. As a sisook he could have held a place with us if he had anything to do with us.
remember, it was YOUR experience that was good. not everyone feels the same.
when it comes to DFW, what reason would i have to lie for? He doesn’t even know me personally. he’s seen me or even heard of me, but the only words he ever spoke to me was at the tournament he held where I met Master Fu Hang Ng and his students. DFW thought i was tenny’s student and when i said i was Dino’s student he instantly turned and walked away with out a word. to me that is disrespectful. I don’t know about you.
Hey Frank, know this! I have much respect for you. But let me play devils advocate here for a bit. Like a kid who wants to do his own thing in his parents house most parents will say do as you will in your own place but not here. If he opened a “Hung Sing Gwoon” here (bay area) implying that he’s strongly affiliated with the cornerstone school and teaches a different curriculum that would not be cool. I can’t speak on his statement of authenticity of Lau Bun because i’ve never heard it, but I will ask him about it the next time I see him. But the way I see it as long as one teaches that curriculum they’d be forever affiliated maybe not to the extent of daily business of the headquarter school or even any interaction with the headquarter school, but he and no one else can get around teaching Lau Bun material and it be known as something else. It will forever be Lau Bun’s Choy Lee Fut, there’s no escaping that and he still teaches those sets as part of his curriculum.
Sorry to butt in but maybe the person isn’t suggesting that you make DFW equivalent to the Three families but to just to put his website on yours since he has seemingly spread CLF so far? Just post a link…that’s all…
He need not be a Hung Sing or Chan Family since your website is meant to unite.
i see your point. But when DFW goes around and tries to act to the world like “hi, i’m here, you know…the represenative for Professor Lau Bun’s lineage!” then that’s where he’s wrong.
he can represent his sifu, that i can’t take from him. But there is only one head master of the legacy Professor Lau Bun left behind. And that is my sifu. No one else. We are it.
No one else is allowed to represent and speak for the American Hung Sing Kwoon but my sifu. He is in charge, and that is something DFW cannot take away from my sifu. at all.
In the bigger scheme of things, it’s ok to tell the world he studied from Prof. Lau Bun. He just doesn’t represent the school that he left long ago. He only represents himself, and the Plum Blossom Federation. In California, he cannot use the english or chinese name due to my sifu locking it down legally.
So to state again, DFW represents the Plum Blossom federation and has NOTHING to do with the American Hung Sing Kwoon. DFW only studied with Lau Bun for 3-4 years at best. And when it takes 6 moths or more on Jot Ma, then 1 year at least to complete CHeung Kuen, you know that DFW didn’t learn much from Lau Bun.
in Fact there are many many elders who witnessed DFW learning things like the spear, sword, Mon Jeung, and others from his si-hing Jew Leong. this is not a questionable idea, there were eyewitnesses.
In ending, again, only my sifu is the head representative of Lau Bun’s American Hung Sing Kwoon in the USA.
