I am wondering how many people have felt
real close range power. And how many who
have really been exposed to a Wing Chun
practitoner with real sensitivity.
What I felt when I found this out was
Gheeeeee - Woaw - Oh my … - What the heck was that!
And a few minutes later I was wondering
what I had spent the 10 previous years
doing. Before this meeting I believed what
I was doing and had seen before was Wing Chun
but it really wasn’t.
It was like everything at last came together.
Yes this is it, this is how it was meant to be,
this is Wing Chun at its highest level.
So what to do ? Close your eyes and turn your
back on the truth. This would have been
the easiest solution. Because I knew at
once that to get this I had to start over
again. Start from the beginning, empty
my cup.
Too many people have invested alot of time
to build up to their current status and
to give all this up and start once again
takes alot of trust and determination.
But once you understand, there really are
no way out of it.
I see alot of Wing Chun practitioners that
have no idea what they are missing out on.
They practice and practice and practice and
talk about how good Wing Chun is but they
have all missed the essence.
If you have the opportunity to go to a seminar
with for example Kenneth Chung or any of his
top students like Carl Dechiara you will be
exposed to this. Not only will they talk about
it but they will also have you feel it. You can
try things and see how they use real
sensitivity and you will also feel the close
range power.
So please do yourself a favour and find a school
that can show you how it is supposed to be!
Originally posted by Joakim Svensson If you have the opportunity to go to a seminar
with for example Kenneth Chung or any of his
top students like Carl Dechiara you will be
exposed to this. Not only will they talk about
it but they will also have you feel it. You can
try things and see how they use real
sensitivity and you will also feel the close
range power.
Wow, Kenneth Chung and Carl Dechiara must really appreciate you going to such great lengths to spread the word about their magnificence! I hope that in return they will fill you with their ‘energy.’
Why odnt you show some respect for someone elses instructor. The guy likes who is learning from and what he is learning. He is impressed with Carl Dechiara and Kenneth Chung, I have a feeling if you touch hands with them you would too. Along with a lot of other people out there in the Wing chun world who have worked hard to get where they are.
I am sick and tired of Wing Chun people always picking on each other. Just because our lineages or our current “masters” dont get a long doesnt mean we dont have to. You go to other martial arts forums and WC is the butt of many a joke becuase of this. I can see why, you go to other forums and you find a lot of questions and a good amount of respect. Here we have a lot of trolling, alot of disrespect.
Alpha dog if you havent touched hands with someone who REALLY knows what they are doing you need to, before you touch hands with anyone else, you have no right to judge. Sunkuen is a troll, but I have seen some well thought out stuff from you, and you deserve to represent yourself better then this.
I am just clowning around, no disrespect intended to anyone’s Sifu!
On a more serious note, I’m glad that you enjoy some of my posts – we’re not going to agree on everything, though, so no sense in arguing that.
Furthermore, I find posts to the tune of “My Sifu is awesome!” to be vaccuous, promotional, and potentially embarrassing – if I were a Sifu and my students were on the Internet bragging about me, I would tell them to afford me the dignity of speaking for myself, or else go elsewhere to study. If I needed marketing services, I’d hire professionals – at least that way I could control my image a bit.
But that is just me – again, we aren’t going to agree on everything.
Still, I will keep your opinion in mind. Deal?
PS – this thought just came to me: w/rt your concerns about Wing Chun in-fighting, have you ever studied financial auditing? (Not that you should, it’s boring as heII) One of the first things an auditor is SUPPOSED to check for is “the tone at the top.” In other words, bad behaviour trickles down – not sure if this applies in the Wing Chun world though!!
Sounds like a deal Alpha. Sorry if it sounded like a rant but as much as I love to get useful information off this forum I hate to wade through the crap!
As for spouting off about ones own sifu, well, I train in the same lineage as Joakim. I train in minneapolis but have met Carl and was honestly impressed by his honesty and what he had to say. Some people may not see eye to eye on some things with him, he does believe in Qi, and by the way I know the whole energy thing this sunkuen was trolling for, its not what it sounds like. Anyway, whether you believe in the same stuff he does or not, for myself I am on the fence about it all, he has something the majority of WC people I have not seen before. He touched hands with my former instructor, who I had considered very good, and he had TOTAL control the entire time. But alas it is something you have to see for yourself.
I have also met others in the WC community who are very good. I trained with Yuanfen for a short time and he was an excellent instructor, I never got to touch hands with him but I did feel his power and was very impressed.
Ultimately the point is, alot of people are willing to criticize others for small things when ultimately if it works for you, thats great. Myself, well, I will go to just about any WC seminar that comes ot the area just to see what others are up to and to learn something. I even went to a 2nd Boztepe seminar recently although I will not return to any of his others.
Alpha dog sez:
One of the first things an auditor is SUPPOSED to check for is “the tone at the top.” In other words, bad behaviour trickles down – not sure if this applies in the Wing Chun world though!!
(The huge Anderson accounting firm has demonstrated that well
in its downward spiral from the top in the US.Apart from Enron-they were a disaster with a church related retirement fund scheme here in Arizona.After reaching a settlement, they started backing out of it!!))
red5angel sez:
I have also met others in the WC community who are very good. I trained with Yuanfen for a short time and he was an excellent instructor, I never got to touch hands with him but I did feel his power and was very impressed
((Thanks. If memory serves ,you came a couple of times. I didnt try to demonstrate any power. I generally dont do that unless I need to))
Alpha dog - I am not sure what you mean baout the trickle down theory, can you explain further?
Yuanfen - I did come a few times, you never gave me a direct example of power but used me to do some demonstrations. I am a big guy and I think this gets me ‘picked’ on at seminars and such! I have got used to being a ‘punching dummy’ and can get a feel for someones ability by the way they handle a demo, much like touching hands with someone, the more in control they are the higher their skill must be. Atleast in my experience.
No showing off from Yuanfen though! if you got it you got it, no need to show it off.
When a new auditor is contracted to audit a company’s books, one of the first things the auditor needs to determine, in order to assess the overall “riskiness” of the audit, is the attitude of the top management. If the top management are not honest, employees are likely to be dishonest too. If top managment are always fighting about who is really in charge, factions will form inside the company, dividing loyalty, reducing productivity and creating opportunities for malicious behavior. These examples of cacaphonous “tone at the top” increase the risk that the auditor will be deceived and, by extension, that the public will be deceived about the overall healthiness of the company.
Of course, if the risk of material misstatement is too great, the auditor should refuse the business or otherwise put pressure on top management to adopt better practices. But as Yuanfen has noticed, this doesn’t always happen.
Of course, these are purely Western conceptions of honesty and fairness…
Gotcha AD! Its one of the things I looked for here. My instructors dont make any comments really on anyone elses teaching. Even if we find something that is very different from what they are teaching they often just say “This is how WE do it.” Its good to be part of a school that is concerned with training and not politics.
By the way Yuanfen, I work for Deloitte and Touche here in minneapolis. We are taking on thier auditors in the next few months! The things I keep hearing about these guys makes me leary!
I was envisioning something a little more historical but if that works for you, fine.
In the same way, shouldn’t the “real” Wing Chun also “work for you”? Remember a thread a while back about tut sao? Everyone hates it, but they still practice it religiously. That’s just one example.
Once I felt it, I threw everything out the window and started over from scratch. I’d been in another style for seven years, but never considered it a waste. It just made me appreciate Wing Chun that much more.
I never would have believed in soft energy until I really got thumped in the chest for the “first time”. I remember my “voice” expelling involuntarily, and my lungs feeling like they were in my stomach.
Good stuff when expereinced with the right people.
I understand AD, I was thinking more locally because that is where it is going ot have to change. The older generations of wing chun are the ones who are generally fighting. The younger generation tends to pick up on this and fight for reasons they may not understand and really arent necessary. I say if what you do works for you then go for it.
Historically our lineage is very quiet…Leung Sheung didn’t even advertise his school. Ken Chung and Carl are also pretty quiet…some of us just wanted to share what we have experienced first hand. Soft energy is really an eye-opener the first time it is felt and not normally seen.
Chris99 is correct, it is hard to judge it without first feeling it. Like I said AD, you should stop by one of his schools or seminars if you get the chance, whether it changes your mind or not I can almost guarentee you will learn something!
No offense, honest. I was just clowning around. I will take advantage of any opportunity to check you out for myself and if you rock, I will come out here and say so.
They call it…SPAM!!! The forum is overflowing with SPAMMERS right now. gnugear, chriss99, joakim sevenson, red5angle,byond, Guilty as charged. Sorry if I missed anybody!!!
Carls Top students from his school in Ohio are going to a tourney this weekend. Feel free to show up and watch them put thier money where thier mouth is!
the tourney is at Cleveland State . Euclid and E 24th, Starts at 9 AM
