this original thread got moved for some unknown reason…
How many people are out there right now honestly searching for real WING CHUN? How many of you are out there not only looking at different instructors, different schools or ways of doing things, but also looking at what you are learning currently? How does it stack up locally, or across the globe?
Do you take what your instructor is giving you, mull it over, think about it and experiment with it or is that taboo? Do you unquestioningly follow what your instructor tells you to do? Is your instructor still learning? Is he also searching for good WING CHUN? Is he looking to improve and in improving look to lead his students along the path of improvement? If they have stopped, why? do they “know” the entire system and now can honestly say they have mastered it? Growth in and the search for good kungfu is a path that leads down a lifetime.
Money and time are usually the two biggest excuses for not pursuing WING CHUN. Not enough money or not feeling like you are spending it wisely. the time to me is the most important thing, I dont mind spending money on a seminar here or there, or paying a drop in fee to check out another school or an instructor. Now I pay plenty to travel to train but its worth it. time to me is the most important thing. I work a good job and make enough money to be happy, and every two weeks I still get my paycheck so its always coming in. But time is a one way path. If you are on the path to searching for good kungfu but you feel you are wasting your time where you are at, why not get out and look around a little? Or even better, alot!
Alot of people have a few freinds on this forum and off of it in te Wing Chun world, use it as an excuse to get out and see what other people are doing. use seminar invitations and class invitations to check it out!
I recieved some negative responses, you can read them on the Searching for Kungfu thread… here was my reply…
These replies crack me up. Regardless of who I am or what my “ulterior” motives are supposed to be, the points are still valid and still good.
Instead of calling me troll, or smack talking maybe you should be asking yourself why it bothers you that I post what I post? I hear all the time, “it such a waste” or “its like being attracted to an accident” but I think for some it might be something else. Maybe I am hitting sore points with some of you? Maybe deep down you know you havent done the footwork to find out what is as what isnt good? Maybe instead of sucking it up and admitting I could be right, you have to attack instead, its supposed to be a good defensive mechanism.
Maybe you have searched and found that most o fit is pretty much the same? It all looks similar so it must all pretty much be the same thing? I say if 99% is similar there is still 1% out there that is different and possibly much much better then the 99%. Its why I am studying what I am studying and who I am studying with.
Red5 - I think you (and all of us) would do well to ponder the following quote, I think it was George Foreman:
“Everyone has a plan until they get hit”
In other words, finding the most bestest lineage is not the #1 concern, there are many great WC lineages and the quality of the instructor is most important. And, alot of what you need to be a fighter is not specific to WC. One’s teacher may be able to explain the theory, but can he/she teach you the intangibles like fighting spirit, calmness, recovery? Awareness, etc?
more preaching from the pastor in residence…
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Fa_jing - your points are good, but let me clarify something. I am not talking about lineages here, I am talking about good kungfu, period. Quality of the instructors is definitely important, but what does that mean? Is he a good guy, and even if he isnt the best instructor thats ok? Maybe he is a really good teacher but has a lousy personality? Some of it is about balance but how do you know what a good balance is if you have never looked?
I also agree that some of what you need to be a good fighter lies outside of wingchun, and these things your instructor should be able to help you find. For some, they never will, but the cool thing about WC, it can be learned by anyone if taught properly, and even if you coudlnt normally fight your way out of a paper bag, it may be able to help extract you from a situation.I thnk it is reasonable to say that if you spent a few months at a school, really applied yourself to what they are teaching, compared the top students to others you have seen, as well as the instructor, you can get a good feel for how good they are and how good what they are teaching is. But then why stop there? If you find a good teacher, do you settle? What if just down the road there is a much better teacher? you would never know unless you got out and looked around right?
Leung Sheung was purported to have a small sign outside his school that was hard to find. My theory is that only people really looking would find it…
Why do I get the feeling that you are always asking all these questions that you either THINK you already know the answers to, or don’t care what anyone elses are because they might be different from your own. So why do you bother?
He put the same moved thread up a second time! Three is no question the guy is intentionally spamming the forum! :mad: I hope the moderators move it again. And again. Even better if they can automate the thread moves and save themselves the time and agravation.
At least he got the right thumbs-DOWN icon on his post this time.
Darkness falls across the land
The midnite hour is close at hand
Creatures crawl in search of blood
To terrorize y’awl’s neighbourhood
And whosoever shall be found
Without the soul for getting down
Must stand and face the hounds of hell
And rot inside a corpse’s shell
The foulest stench is in the air
The funk of forty thousand years
And grizzy ghouls from every tomb
Are closing in to seal your doom
And though you fight to stay alive
Your body starts to shiver
For no mere mortal can resist
The evil of the thriller
Leung Sheung was purported to have a small sign outside his school that was hard to find. My theory is that only people really looking would find it…
My theory is that your theory is nonsensical.
Why bother with a sign at all if you only want the really committed to find your place? Why have a school at all and not train in a disused hangar in Area 51, or in a cave 3/4s of the way up Mt Everest?
And if you admire Leung Sifu’s alleged approach, why are you saturation-bombing this forum with advertorials?
Or did Leung Sifu miss the REAL point of WC as well, along with that famous JKD exponent Emin Boztepe, Bruce Lee, and apparently every other WC exponent out there other than Carl Dechiara and his students?
No offence, KFC, but I really hate Michael Jackson
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Q: whats the difference between a neurotic and an idiot?
A: an idiot can learn from experience.
you’ll note that means i’m NOT calling anyone an idiot here!
a saying from a different context, which ought to be a kuen kuit: ‘nothing like having your @$$ handed to you to make you re-think your strategies’. some day, ask carl about the story of ken’s ‘move’. then you’ll see how he EARNED what he says/does.
re: the little sign: LS said ‘if you found me, you were lucky’. he was probably very picky about his students.
‘‘Regardless of who I am or what my “ulterior” motives are supposed to be, the points are still valid and still good.’’
who said that they are still valid and good? you the 8 month experienced grandmaster of laa laa land.
‘‘Maybe I am hitting sore points with some of you? Maybe deep down you know you havent done the footwork to find out what is as what isnt good? Maybe instead of sucking it up and admitting I could be right, you have to attack instead, its supposed to be a good defensive mechanism.’’
well there is no maybe about this- you are a BEGINNER and everybody is sick of hearing your bullshit over and over again, also where have you proven that all your hard work has shown your footwork to be good, surely not at that toughest of proving grounds- training?
a saying from a different context, which ought to be a kuen kuit: ‘nothing like having your @$$ handed to you to make you re-think your strategies’. some day, ask carl about the story of ken’s ‘move’. then you’ll see how he EARNED what he says/does.
re: the little sign: LS said ‘if you found me, you were lucky’. he was probably very picky about his students. [/B]
Are you refering to the story of Leung Sheung “benching” Ken?
“Leung Sheung was purported to have a small sign outside his school that was hard to find. My theory is that only people really looking would find it…”
Maybe he just couldn’t afford a big sign. :rolleyes:
Not everything is laced with hidden meaning. And it would be crazy to assume you’re hitting a sore spot with your posts. Some of the guys calling you a troll are well respected and have been training for 10-20+ years!
They’ve seen other lineages/clubs, trained with, touched hands with etc. You ought to look a little more closely in the mirror, Red5Angel.
It’s more than likely they, not you, have a handle on what’s what in the Wing Chun world.
Besides, even if you are right, what do you care if ‘they’ won’t listen? It makes no odds. Train, learn, enjoy. The three things I, in my limited experience, try to do with regards this great art.
Three is no question the guy is intentionally spamming the forum! :mad: I hope the moderators move it again. And again. Even better if they can automate the thread moves and save themselves the time and agravation. 
