yes i can 
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;999047]Can you make what you do work in this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvN1dQPFRK8[/QUOTE]Been there. Done that.
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;999047]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvN1dQPFRK8[/QUOTE]
T, this is what Wing Chun works best against. It and good jujitsu. But wearing the gloves and fighting by obvious rules I suspect that it would only end up with having to fight the same fight. But, even with that, some form of organized fighting system would be very effective. A 3rd rate boxer would have mowed any one of them down. None of these guys showed any fighting skills at all. They just came out windmilling on one another until one went down or one was declared a winner. I didn’t see any one of them show a defensive move, just offensive swinging.
I once worked in a number of night clubs in Grand Prairie, Texas, and no one went there for the live band or dancing, but for the fights. When the doors opened they would come through them fighting. At least 2 fights were going on at all times. I felt like I was going 12 rounds, 4 and 5 times a night for 4 nights a week. It kept me busted up and sore. Even wind milling will get through the best defenses now and again, and any bare fist to the face is going to hurt. What we just watched is exactly what you would see all night long in some of those places. Some of those boys would fight 2 or 3 times a night like that, and none of them seemed to have any formal fight training, just a mean attitude.
I think by moving, trapping, and crowding these guys I could punch with them, even wearing the gloves. I wouldn’t even attempt to stand toe to toe and punch with them though.
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;999065]T, this is what Wing Chun works best against. It and good jujitsu. But wearing the gloves and fighting by obvious rules I suspect that it would only end up with having to fight the same fight. But, even with that, some form of organized fighting system would be very effective. A 3rd rate boxer would have mowed any one of them down. None of these guys showed any fighting skills at all. They just came out windmilling on one another until one went down or one was declared a winner. I didn’t see any one of them show a defensive move, just offensive swinging.
I once worked in a number of night clubs in Grand Prairie, Texas, and no one went there for the live band or dancing, but for the fights. When the doors opened they would come through them fighting. At least 2 fights were going on at all times. I felt like I was going 12 rounds, 4 and 5 times a night for 4 nights a week. It kept me busted up and sore. Even wind milling will get through the best defenses now and again, and any bare fist to the face is going to hurt. What we just watched is exactly what you would see all night long in some of those places. Some of those boys would fight 2 or 3 times a night like that, and none of them seemed to have any formal fight training, just a mean attitude.
I think by moving, trapping, and crowding these guys I could punch with them, even wearing the gloves. I wouldn’t even attempt to stand toe to toe and punch with them though.[/QUOTE]
do you understand what theyare seeing, if you do then commentating like you have done above would seem silly, if you didn’t stand toe to toe you would fail.
its called milling its used in the paras to test aggression and fighting spirit, you are meant to go flatout for the whole minute you are not meant to show defensive skills.
its not about fighting skills, its tests something much more important to them than simply being about to fight
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;999047]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvN1dQPFRK8[/QUOTE]
thats probably the easiest. thats like asking if you can avoid a train coming at you.
…Can you make what you do work in this ?..
your kidding right ?
My thoughts exactly.
[QUOTE=Frost;999067]do you understand what theyare seeing, if you do then commentating like you have done above would seem silly, if you didn’t stand toe to toe you would fail.
its called milling its used in the paras to test aggression and fighting spirit, you are meant to go flatout for the whole minute you are not meant to show defensive skills.
its not about fighting skills, its tests something much more important to them than simply being about to fight[/QUOTE]
Now that someone has taken the time to explain this, yes, I think I could even at my age. However, like I said, this same thing is what you normally see in bar fighting and such. Maybe that is where they should recruit their troops?
The training we did in Guangzhou is way more aggressive than this.
perhaps I am aging…
IMHO, this is not effective, too much struggle…
Do anyone like to share how to finish this in a much shorter time and less moves?
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;999065]T, this is what Wing Chun works best against. [/QUOTE]
Straight beats circle. End of debate.
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;999123]The training we did in Guangzhou is way more aggressive than this.[/QUOTE]
Totally… We used to use flaming chain saws dipped in gasoline and then lit.. :p:D:o
[QUOTE=Hendrik;999125]perhaps I am aging…
IMHO, this is not effective, too much struggle…
Do anyone like to share how to finish this in a much shorter time and less moves?[/QUOTE]
again you miss the point its not about effectiveness its a test of heart and aggression, the paras do most of there fighting with rifles they don’t do much unarmed combat stuff, this is simply a test not training
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;999115]Now that someone has taken the time to explain this, yes, I think I could even at my age. However, like I said, this same thing is what you normally see in bar fighting and such. Maybe that is where they should recruit their troops?[/QUOTE]
Since they pride themselves on being aggressive they probably do recruit in the local pubs…, and since they are one of the best regiments in the british army i think they probably have both a good selection process and a good training regiime. The paras are known for their aggression and fighting spirit, which is partly trained though this type of training.
And its what you see in a bar fight because bar fights are also normally aggressive in nature and the other guy is trying to take your head off…its also what you normally see in someones fight full contact fight when the adrenaline takes over and they start swinging for the fences…your point is what exactly?As i say its not about fighting its about aggression something the regiment puts a high price on
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;999145]Straight beats circle. End of debate.[/QUOTE]
tyson didn’t agree with this as an absolute statement, and i wish someone had told this to the thai guy i sparred at the weekend who dropped me with a nice tight hook punch as i was throwing straights at his head :o
[QUOTE=Frost;999168]tyson didn’t agree with this as an absolute statement, and i wish someone had told this to the thai guy i sparred at the weekend who dropped me with a nice tight hook punch as i was throwing straights at his head :o[/QUOTE]
Neither Tyson or your sparring partner throw or threw all hooks. There is nothing about the hook itself that makes it able to defeat a straight punch. It is other tactics added to the hooks that make it work head movement, straight punch setups, and so on.
Besides, everyone’s comments are in reference to a specific scenario guys with no training running at each other and throwing hooks with no head movement, setups, or strategy. Straight beats circle about covers it in that scenario would you not agree?
OK, so everyone and their mother can deal with someone coming at them with pure non-stop aggression – why, then, do we never SEE anyone doing that?
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;999145]Straight beats circle. End of debate.[/QUOTE]
Bzzzz. Wrong.
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;999181]OK, so everyone and their mother can deal with someone coming at them with pure non-stop aggression – why, then, do we never SEE anyone doing that?[/QUOTE]
uh we havent?