[QUOTE=Pacman;999075]thats probably the easiest. thats like asking if you can avoid a train coming at you.[/QUOTE]
Trains often run over people.
[QUOTE=goju;999184]uh we havent?[/QUOTE]
Oh, then please provide me with the link.
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;999186]Oh, then please provide me with the link.[/QUOTE]
for example(and there are many others) this turkish boxer is defending himself against more than one guy trying to rush him:D
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;999181]OK, so everyone and their mother can deal with someone coming at them with pure non-stop aggression – why, then, do we never SEE anyone doing that?[/QUOTE]
ok ill be honest here, seeing as my game is clinch and takedowns to ground i could handle this aggression (i have in the past) but if i had to stay standing with them i would probably get drawn into a slug feast, its the nature of fighting, its why you see so many amature fighters in their first few fights look like this, the adrenaline takes over and technique goes out the window. And it takes alot of full contact experience to get over this instinct
why are you not seeing anyone do this… beacuse people talk a great fight but very few actually do the fighting
[QUOTE=goju;999190]http://www.vidoemo.com/yvideo.php?i=ZDFSeElwcWuRpMFV5eFE&street-fight-in-turkey-one-vs-all-in-general-d
for example(and there are many others) this turkish boxer is defending himself against more than one guy trying to rush him:D[/QUOTE]
i think he meant from guys on this forum, or wing chun guys in general not from a boxer lol
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;999182]Bzzzz. Wrong.[/QUOTE]
In your case, you seem to find a way to lose no matter the situation hence all the self-loathing and hate for WC so I suppose based on your personal experience…
[QUOTE=Frost;999194]i think he meant from guys on this forum, or wing chun guys in general not from a boxer lol[/QUOTE]
ah well how the hell are you going to have a video of your own of a guy trying to rip your head off and you defend sucessfully against it?
yeah hang on let me go get my neighbour ill tell him to come at me like a rabid squirrel and video ill tapethe results LOL
this turkish boxer did a good job in this vid though he kept distance, didnt panic, didnt get drawn into staying the pocket and slugging it out and he managed to intimidate his attackers
[QUOTE=goju;999197]ah well how the hell are you going to have a video of your own of a guy trying to rip your head off and you defend sucessfully against it?
yeah hang on let me go get my neighbour ill tell him to come at me like a rabid squirrel and video ill tapethe results LOL
this turkish boxer did a good job in this vid though he kept distance, didnt panic, didnt get drawn into staying the pocket and slugging it out and he managed to intimidate his attackers[/QUOTE]
Exactly, who runs into fighting that sloppy and has a video tape ready typically.
[QUOTE=goju;999197]ah well how the hell are you going to have a video of your own of a guy trying to rip your head off and you defend sucessfully against it?
yeah hang on let me go get my neighbour ill tell him to come at me like a rabid squirrel and video ill tapethe results LOL
this turkish boxer did a good job in this vid though he kept distance, didnt panic, didnt get drawn into staying the pocket and slugging it out and he managed to intimidate his attackers[/QUOTE]
well if people say then have handled it and can handle it, it must mean they are training against it so someone might have videoed it… afterall people video everyother aspect of training from doing forms to chisao why not this tyoe if training?
haha Looks like the first round of any Toughman contest i’ve ever been to.
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;999176]Neither Tyson or your sparring partner throw or threw all hooks. There is nothing about the hook itself that makes it able to defeat a straight punch. It is other tactics added to the hooks that make it work head movement, straight punch setups, and so on.
Besides, everyone’s comments are in reference to a specific scenario guys with no training running at each other and throwing hooks with no head movement, setups, or strategy. Straight beats circle about covers it in that scenario would you not agree?[/QUOTE]
yes it might, problem is you see so few straight punches in this senario i wonder why that is… i mean virtually every peosons first full conact fight turns into a slug feast like this in the first roiund regardless of how much training they have… why is it such a natural thing to do?
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;999199]Exactly, who runs into fighting that sloppy and has a video tape ready typically.[/QUOTE]
exactly this fight was caught by a bystander if that person didnt video tape it no one would know the great turkish street ass kicker:D
assaults like this happen in the blink of an eye you cant go “wait time out let me turn on my camera i happen to carry with me at all times”
[QUOTE=Frost;999202]yes it might, problem is you see so few straight punches in this senario i wonder why that is… i mean virtually every peosons first full conact fight turns into a slug feast like this in the first roiund regardless of how much training they have… why is it such a natural thing to do?[/QUOTE]
alot of people cant throw strait punches regardless of how much experience they have or how much they train
its quite odd but such a simple thing seems to be lost art
[QUOTE=goju;999208]alot of people cant throw strait punches regardless of how much experience they have or how much they train
its quite odd but such a simple thing seems to be lost art[/QUOTE]
they can throw them, they find it hard when it really hit the fan to do so, this might be beacuse looping punches are more natural and carry more power… i don’t know but all i do know is that alot of pros look like that in their first fight
[QUOTE=Frost;999200]well if people say then have handled it and can handle it, it must mean they are training against it so someone might have videoed it… afterall people video everyother aspect of training from doing forms to chisao why not this tyoe if training?[/QUOTE]
well obviously then this would be a staged scenario which in respect is quite different than some nut rushing you all the sudden and flailing away
i guess a real hard round of full out sparring would be some what similar
[QUOTE=Frost;999202]yes it might, problem is you see so few straight punches in this senario i wonder why that is… i mean virtually every peosons first full conact fight turns into a slug feast like this in the first roiund regardless of how much training they have… why is it such a natural thing to do?[/QUOTE]
I think that it is jitters about everything that is going on outside the fight. I fought a few years back after a long layoff (7 years) from competitive fighting. . It was all about being nervous because it has been so long and dealing with the pressure of all the people who came to see me win. I won both fights but I didn’t looks as good as I should have.
[QUOTE=goju;999210]well obviously then this would be a staged scenario which in respect is quite different than some nut rushing you all the sudden and flailing away
i guess a real hard round of full out sparring would be some what similar[/QUOTE]
and that first video form the paras was staged, i think its more the 100percent aggression and full on fighting that T is asking for, rather than videos om ambushes, and yes full out full contact sparring would count i suppose:)
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;999211]I think that it is jitters about everything that is going on outside the fight. I fought a few years back after a long layoff (7 years) from competitive fighting. . It was all about being nervous because it has been so long and dealing with the pressure of all the people who came to see me win. I won both fights but I didn’t looks as good as I should have.[/QUOTE]
so if jitters/nevers make us naturally go back to looping punches (even if you have had training )etc, i wonder if the best thing to do would be to train in a system that taught these punches..why fight it why not go with it?
[QUOTE=Frost;999209]they can throw them, they find it hard when it really hit the fan to do so, this might be beacuse looping punches are more natural and carry more power… i don’t know but all i do know is that alot of pros look like that in their first fight[/QUOTE]
they are more natural BUT you can train strait punches to become natural too
as far as more powerful well that depends on the person
i dont know if you saw the fight science episode on mma but they were measuring punching power on a dummy with some equipment and the amount of force behind bas ruttens strait punch was incredible it was double the amount of force from randys and titos punch and i believe though i may be wrong they used hooks for their attacks
[QUOTE=Frost;999214]so if jitters/nevers make us naturally go back to looping punches (even if you have had training )etc, i wonder if the best thing to do would be to train in a system that taught these punches..why fight it why not go with it?[/QUOTE]
I am sorry. Let me clarify. I never went crazy with looping techniques really. I just stayed on the attack the whole time. I used lots of hooks and uppercuts to be certain, but I would also step back back and set up stuff as well. Instead of going 5 or 6 deep on combination I would go 11 or 12 with whatever range dictated.
I knocked out the first guy pretty easily. My second opponent knew that he was in trouble so he would duck below my waste and cover. This was boxing so the ref should have called the fight because the opponent wasn’t presenting a target, but he didn’t. If I weren’t so jittery, I would have been more careful to make him feel like he was in the fight to set up my big shots. As it was shots 3-12 were a waste because of his ducking.
Edit:
Some of it had to do with the fact that the opponent couldn’t really stop what I was doing. Had he been better and had a legitimate answer for my techniques. I would have settled down and been more “orthodox.”