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Wai Jia: The Kung Fu Forum Wing Chun
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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1013992]
and that raise another issue which is after the touch when things are dynamic how to generate power. how is that power generation aids one? see different style has different power generation. A grapper rush in to grap one has started the momentum when one is grap. so how is a other stylist response to that momentum? can one ground or root that rush in momentum? can a hip push counter the full body rush in momentum of the grapper? or can the WCner dissolve the CLF’s whip arm…etc. All of those are issues. The so called grounding and rooting, for me, are really very general, it might not suit one’s style at all. or even worse it might counter one’s effort.
For example a CLF using rooting /grounding power swing a punch at the WCner. if the WCner accept it with the same type of rooting/grounding, then the WCner will loose because 1, WCner has smaller physical expansion mechanics. 2, WCner is one step late in acceleration.

All, type of issues, if one doesnt look into these there is no way one could really use the art. This is because what one think could be against the nature or law of physics. I accept every idea one has what I am posting is can those ideas really work or it is just a believe which have never face the reality.

In general, WCner must be able to dissolve the grapper’s hug at the first touch. it must not be the end of the story. it must not default to go down to the ground. otherwise what is WCK? Think about it. It no longer making any sense on all the posture training but can even do anything facing a hug. [/QUOTE]

Hendrik,

         I think you have the wrong idea about rooting! my defination of rooting is to not stop the opponent's momentum, but instead how to continue it by using leverage from the ground to maneuver and manipulate the opponent's momentum in one's favor for a counter attack by moving in harmony with him. Think of what happens when you try to push a volley ball under water with one hand, how does the vollley ball respond in relation to your force to neutralize it:)
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I think you have the wrong idea about rooting!

my defination of rooting is to not stop the opponent’s momentum,

I am not talking about stop opponent’s momentum

Read it again.

if the WCner accept it with the same type of rooting/grounding, then the WCner will loose because
1, WCner has smaller physical expansion mechanics.
2, WCner is one step late in acceleration.

but instead how to continue it by using leverage from the ground to maneuver and manipulate the opponent’s momentum in one’s favor for a counter attack by moving in harmony with him.

Your idea is sound however,

So, with WCK is a smaller frame or smaller physical expansion mechanics, and in a state of responsive timing which is starting late.

How do you pick up the acceleration and momentum while others has already rolling into you?

There are law of physics here needs to be answer.

Think of what happens when you try to push a volley ball under water with one hand, how does the vollley ball respond in relation to your force to neutralize it:)

You example is not applicable when a cannon ball is shooting at you already. it is not a volley ball under water.

if You cant pick up the acceleration and momentum in the bounded space and time, you hand will be blown away. That is law of physics.

Same power generation engine start late. it is not a volley ball under water which you push at. it is a cannon ball shooting at you and if your timing and speed is wrong it blown your hand away and not be able to even touch it. Try to catch a fast moving base ball which is coming at you is more like it. IMHO.

So, the bottom line, how do you relate or translate the grounding/rooting with this acceleration and momentum pick up. There is no magic but the whole mechanical system needs to be in a dynamic equilibrium otherwise one side got to go.

Let’s not getting into Zen or mysterious… plain simple physics.

If you use the same rooting/grounding method, other has already start the roll for sometime, how do you catch up while you have a smaller physical frame and your body is not in motion yet. Meaning you need to counter the innertial and over come the smaller motion to catch up with the others.

what do you think?

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1013997]How do you pick up the acceleration and momentum while others has already rolling into you?[/QUOTE]

Comes accept! once you are in contact with the oppoenent, you control his spinal column at first touch and thus his balance as the primary first objective when attacked.

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[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1014000]Comes accept! once you are in contact with the oppoenent, you control his spinal column at first touch and thus his balance as the primary first objective when attacked.[/QUOTE]

You dont get my points.

1, Come accept. How easy to accept a 100 miles base ball? how easy to come accept a fast boxer’s punch or CLF’s punch with full momentum?

does your hand has enough speed to make the contact without get blown away?

and how is that acceleration of hand power by your so called rooting and grounding?

2, how do you control his spinal column and in fact if that " base ball" or " fast punch" is too fast for you your wrist might be dislocate or any part of your limps weak link which take the impulse will break.

have you seriously contact with some hard style master’s bridge in action where one’s hand get slam away at the first contact? or both your tan hand and Da hand both get slam away?

From your reply, I presume you have never meet this grade of people.

You see, I dont buy nice wishes. It doesnt work. Your idea is very likely to be aborted at the first touch of the contact and the rest of the ideas die out.

One needs to know how to handle that in coming fast ball before talking about how to play the ball or what to control. that is just a cold fact.\

by now, some will say, oh, I will intercept his body…etc. Good, but then still how is your body generate the power to intercept his body? how is your so called grounding or rooting translate to the momentum created to intercept his body and sustain the impact since nothing is perfect.

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Masters and real chinese kungfu

Nothing to do with race, or culture.

No longer secret to only the chinese, real chinese kungfu is available to all as some of videos will show.

Simple formula, training in ancient proven methods produces same results for everyone.

If people dont ever train in it, to experience the results, all talk is just talk fu not
kung fu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZdtM5p6ZkA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMcZddqmvw8&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2Qvo_BUmNU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSnUDkCQ0WU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7QIFkd2ElE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1X8Ww4nymQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y_EbFgwiBs&feature=PlayList&p=518D48509AEB445A&playnext_from=PL&index=0&playnext=1

In the natural realm of things, survival goes to the fittest. Animals get extinct because they cant survive the enviroment, circumstances.

Thousands of years of chinese kungfu, qigong, tcm, tcma, concepts of fajing, fachi, fashen, have survived and prospered with the chinese emerging as the biggest population in the world.

And yet there are those who still doubt chinese kungfu, and chinese internal arts and ask if these things are true or exist.

For those who believe
No explanation is necessary

For those who do not believe
No explanation is possible

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1013983]You too I love you as you are.[/QUOTE]
LOL; ur such a twit…

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[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1014005]LOL; ur such a twit…[/QUOTE]

What can I do beside give you all the love to accept you as who you are beside give love?
or else I have to waste my energy in negative which I choose not to because it is meaningless and no reason to be in misery because you are who you are.

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Shadow,

I am not impress with
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2Qvo_BUmNU&feature=related

because he is using brute force and his momentum or stepping. if others has a bigger mass and momentum he will be in trouble.

This is not the fajing level yet. IMHHO.

So, what is this person missing? Hua Jin. dissolving Jin. See without dissolving Jin, one always has to counter the incoming jin with bigger power. with Hua Jin, one accept and let it dissolve and then shoot him out without go head one compete in power.

Thus, IMHO, he is not in the fajing level yet because he doesnt have the Hua Jin cultivation and thus will not reach the state where the 94 years old master or GM Huang has. It is all about Hua Jin. Hua Jin play the tricks and magic. but not many could do it. Look at the hip of those who has hua jin and you see no power issuing there, not need to . the intention move the power is there.

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1014008]Shadow,

I am not impress with
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2Qvo_BUmNU&feature=related

because he is using brute force and his momentum or stepping. if others has a bigger mass and momentum he will be in trouble.

This is not the fajing level yet. IMHHO.

So, what is this person missing? Hua Jin. dissolving Jin. See without dissolving Jin, one always has to counter the incoming jin with bigger power. with Hua Jin, one accept and let it dissolve and then shoot him out without go head one compete in power.

Thus, IMHO, he is not in the fajing level yet because he doesnt have the Hua Jin cultivation and thus will not reach the state where the 94 years old master or GM Huang has. It is all about Hua Jin. Hua Jin play the tricks and magic. but not many could do it. Look at the hip of those who has hua jin and you see no power issuing there, not need to . the intention move the power is there.[/QUOTE]

okay , I’ll ask :rolleyes:, why are u showing tai chi here ? please dont try to tell me “its chi-sao stuffs.”

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[QUOTE=k gledhill;1014012]okay , I’ll ask :rolleyes:, why are u showing tai chi here ? please dont try to tell me “its chi-sao stuffs.”[/QUOTE]

One can always compare one’s own art with others to know oneself better. Why so closed minded?

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1014014]One can always compare one’s own art with others to know oneself better. Why so closed minded?[/QUOTE]

not closed , asking whats it got to do with VT ?

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[QUOTE=k gledhill;1014015]not closed , asking whats it got to do with VT ?[/QUOTE]

Know your self and your enemy.

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1014016]Know your self and your enemy.[/QUOTE]

taichi is my enemy ? thanks …I thought they where on our side…got it, enemy .

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1014006]What can I do beside give you all the love to accept you as who you are beside give love?
or else I have to waste my energy in negative which I choose not to because it is meaningless and no reason to be in misery because you are who you are.[/QUOTE]

ur an even bigger moron than I thought you were

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[QUOTE=anerlich;1013990]Most people don’t dismiss his views out of hand. They give him the benefit of the doubt for a long time, but eventually realise his pseudo-Zen-Master schtick lacks any real core of understanding, and THEN dismiss him.

I predict that you too will soon arrive at a similar conclusion.[/QUOTE]

*BINGO!!!

So now there’s no bridge in WC. Only flow. Haha…

Study with Master Hendrik and you will learn how to defeat your opponents without even touching them!!!

:smiley:

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1014014]One can always compare one’s own art with others to know oneself better. Why so closed minded?[/QUOTE]

Hmmmmm… is there an echo around here??

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[QUOTE=duende;1014023]*BINGO!!!

So now there’s no bridge in WC. Only flow. Haha…

Study with Master Hendrik and you will learn how to defeat your opponents without even touching them!!!

:D[/QUOTE]

hey certainly leads by example…

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[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1014024]hey certainly leads by example…[/QUOTE]

Yeah… It’s called the art of running away!
:eek: :stuck_out_tongue:

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[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1014021]ur an even bigger moron than I thought you were[/QUOTE]

I choose to be happy and doesnt matter what other think.

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Its internal chinese martial arts. Not just taiji.

Whats the relation?

Its the usage of the body. Same body as everyone else. Just a different type of training leading to different results

Some schools of thought says this is a far more efficient way of training, and the power grows inside- neijia, versus the fali style of training, which is waijia.

How many can move someone with apparently minor movements or no movements when they are 94? This is the result of many years of internal training.

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1014030]I choose to be happy and doesnt matter what other think.[/QUOTE]
you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time making that point…:rolleyes: