Hi I dont know much about Bak Mei Quan except that it was made my a tator of Shaolin who studied at Wudang pior and later rested in Omei temple. I did find out that it was based on Shaolin Tiger? but is more internal.
I tend to think IMO that if the real Wing Chun and the Really Bak Mei fought Bak Mei my of won. because He has been kungfu for longer and he was a monk at shaolin, wudang and omei(omei martial arts are inbetween shaolin and wudang from what I here) at Omei Bak Mei won many tourmenents with is Bak Mei style according to legend.
However Yip Mans frist student was a Bak Mei teacher who Yip Man beat. in no time.?
Bak Mei builds qi I’am almost sure just like wing chun it has been called in the middle or hard and soft
Wing Chun builds qi This I Know.
The founders were alive at around the same time.
so here the poll goes
which style you like better
oh and please list some very good Bak Mei sites.
(Cause I no almost nothing about it.)
in my opinion,so don’t get your knickers in a twist?pak-mei is the offensive to win chun cannot supress,even though it is the best defense system i know of.why i hear you?because win chun doen’t expect to get hit,where pak-mei knows how to “roll with the punches”.yip-man only taught his son thats it,and spoke to practioners thats it and agreed with what ever there doing thats it.
win chun=fackt lik
pak-mei=ging lik
tai-chi=chi lik
taijiquauan[zen]=qi
are they all diferent?maybe?where has your training lead you?
the legend,don’t forget ng mui the only way to hurt her was the soles of her feet.
pak-mei his eyes
win chun everywhere.and before anybody says yeah but ng mui taught w/ch.she didn’t.she helped her express herself,the moves are from hung gar,if you look closely?ng mui had students but none survived to this day it is to pure to summon the dragon?
given both people were of = skill in their method, bak mei wins - no doubt wc is incomplete, weak thru lower gates. any style with real heavy power, hung gar, or speed of short hand with yin penetration, spm, breaks wc. wc is a pus*sy system 4 girlie boys oh … on a + note wc good for young children btw sui-fuw, welcome back yip man backed away from many challenges. cheap, lazy bastard with no skills 2 make a living. liar 2, screwed up many dedicated wc students by holding back on a system all ready incomplete
Cheung Lai Chun Vs Yip Man
That would be a fight to see. I have to say my money [if i were a betting man] would be on CLC.
This is certainly no dig at WC but the art states itself that its designed to be easy to learn, easy to apply. Even going so far as to say to use sayings like ‘shortest distance between two points is a strait line’ and ‘minimum effort for the maximum result’. This does not imply that its designed around being the ‘best’ which is in no way a bad thing. Many of there points have much validity but i dont think that WC is one of the ‘higher’ level arts of which Bak Mei i would class in.
I think higher level arts use any means, even if the training takes longer or there is a need for conditioning. This doesnt apply to WC they openly state they train for ease of use.
Of couse it depends totaly on the practioners but in THIS case my money would be on CLC.
Still just my humble opinion.
I have a lot of respect for Wing Chun so please dont try and tell me i dont know what im talking about its just MY feelings
you cant win all the time but you cant always lose either…
well it’s good to see all the wing chun experts out voicing their opinions again.
i love when people who have never put any time into this system say it is incomplete.
you are fools who’s own ignorance will be your downfall when you do meet up with someone who has actually studied real wing chun.
as a side note i have seen many people doing what is supposed to be wing chun but it sadly is not, so i do understand why some might have the opinion of it being not quite complete but please don’t be fooled so easily as to think that there are not wing chun people who will quite easily destroy your a$$.
‘given both people were of = skill in their method, bak mei wins - no doubt wc is incomplete, weak thru lower gates. any style with real heavy power, hung gar, or speed of short hand with yin penetration, spm, breaks wc. wc is a pus*sy system 4 girlie boys oh … on a + note wc good for young children btw sui-fuw, welcome back yip man backed away from many challenges. cheap, lazy bastard with no skills 2 make a living. liar 2, screwed up many dedicated wc students by holding back on a system all ready incomplete’
as to this-well- i have never seen a bigger load of in my life.(i hope it was a joke)
vts
hows it going? whats your theories on wingchun when someone tries to close off the centerline and sink? what would a wingchun player do to counter sinking techniques?
why does every wingchun person always compare wingchun vs bak mei, wingchun vs mantis, wingchun vs hung gar etc
hmmmm,
very interesting, but again i would have to say that it is odviously something i would have to feel.
usually a heavy hand(including the forearm & elbow) that is applying pressure downwards is quite easy to counter as the force is not going foward however if you mean the elbow & forearm are going forward & controling centre then this can be difficult to deal with as you have already let the man get in control. there are various ways to regain centre but again it is usually done through feeling & not mouth boxing.
although most would probably just like to use bong sau, i would probably preffer to try & change the angle slightly, use tan sau & continue to dominate the centre.
vts
wing chun’s power comes from the whole body but as i said before, there is so much crap wing chun out there that it is easy for people to think it all sucks.
power also comes from the elbow moving through the centre not the wrist as is seen in many who do wing chun. the use of the wrist means that there must be pressure or force(in directions other than foward) used to block whereas using the elbow moving foward through centre means you can control your opponent while keeping your force(pressure) moving foward
vts
[This message was edited by vingtsunstudent on 11-27-01 at 11:26 PM.]
Forget it, wing tsun would n’t understand the concept of sink.
Besides i could answer what would a wing tsun person do to a sink strike; same thing they try to do with all attacks against them…bong sao and then the “dreaded chain punches”.
Wing Chun works for me, Bak Mei doesn’t Heh, So therefore to me Wing Chun is better. Really you have to stop asking which style can beat out which, I have seen a master of Bak Mei from China get his @$$ kicked by a TKD guy ( swift kick to the face ) if fact if I can get the Vidoe on MPG i’ll show it to you guys.
But why must we always ask which style can beat out which, people who ask that truely aren’t martial artist.
wc is incomplete, weak thru lower gates. any style with real heavy power, hung gar, or speed of short hand with yin penetration, spm, breaks wc. wc is a pus*sy system 4 girlie boys 
oh … on a + note wc good for young children