Bagua vs. Muay Thai FIGHT VIDEO

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[QUOTE=cerebus;1039905]No, actually it’s just your understanding of kung fu (which is really a complete LACK of understanding) which is “dog sh1t”.

Maoshan’s understanding and skill in certain areas of kung fu may be quite decent, but the problem is that he has concentrated solely on those areas and is missing some of the KEY elements which are necessary to actually USE one’s kung fu in a fight. Those key elements are conditioning and full-contact sparring. Without those, one should never step into a fighting ring.[/QUOTE]

noe ur mom has complete understanding. ben hill did conditioning he was
hitting trees and doing fingertip pushups and tings. he did better than u

u can see what went wrong wit maoshan if u look as his teaching video. its all make a bridge this make a bridge that qinna finger grapple. its the inherent dog sh1t content and nature of his kung fu that made him lose. his style is sh1t, his old chinese teacher is sh1t, so he is sh1t. no matter how hard u condition and spar u try that bridging nonsense u get knocked the fuk out boom boom its over.

kung fu doesnt produce fighters anymore it produces rice bowls and money trees. its not a way of life its a business oprtunity for cultural robbers.

u teach real kung fu then in 1 year ur student finishes learning eveything and leaves you, you cant make easy monies

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If you are going to fight fire, you have to learn what fire is and how to create it and then how to use it. If you spend your time learning about water, you will not have understanding of fire.

There was that cryptic enough? lol

Point being is that while maoshan may have been training bagua, what he wasn’t training was how to fight with it.

He missed out on some fundamental things about training to fight and it had nothing to do with practicing his art. He lacked partenr work with someone who was gonna launch all those types of attacks and use the atypical strategies of someone who fights regularly.

kung fu practitioner never equals seasoned fighter. It’s just practice. If you wanna be a fighter, then you got to fight. :stuck_out_tongue:

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[QUOTE=bawang;1039948]noe ur mom has complete understanding. ben hill did conditioning he was
hitting trees and doing fingertip pushups and tings. he did better than u

u can see what went wrong wit maoshan if u look as his teaching video. its all make a bridge this make a bridge that qinna finger grapple. its the inherent dog sh1t content and nature of his kung fu that made him lose. his style is sh1t, his old chinese teacher is sh1t, so he is sh1t. no matter how hard u condition and spar u try that bridging nonsense u get knocked the fuk out boom boom its over.

kung fu doesnt produce fighters anymore it produces rice bowls and money trees. its not a way of life its a business oprtunity for cultural robbers.

u teach real kung fu then in 1 year ur student finishes learning eveything and leaves you, you cant make easy monies[/QUOTE]

my sifu(wu wai kwan aka wilkie wu, the real one. not the SF fraud) doesnt get paid for teaching… atleast not much… his money comes from his day job… thats real… he does it for the love of the art…

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[QUOTE=Syn7;1039977]my sifu(wu wai kwan aka wilkie wu, the real one. not the SF fraud) doesnt get paid for teaching… atleast not much… his money comes from his day job… thats real… he does it for the love of the art…[/QUOTE]

Funny, my Sifu doesn’t take take money either… just wants his students to be dedicated as hell or else he’s kicking you out!!! :smiley:

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we pay… just not much, it pretty much covers costs of running the school… its my understanding that the fee goes to the oldskool hk style athletic association… rent, heat, power, etc…

my sifu certainly didnt buy his house and two nice benz from a 60 dollar fee from a handful of students, half of whom dont even pay… i was broke when i started, i payed the first month then sifu spotted me till i could pay… gave me gear and stuff too, takes us out to lunch on sundays and days we do demos… and ofcourse we always get the lucky money envelope all the time… and uncle eddie even gives us yang taiji or free before and after classes, aswell as showing us random stuff we wouldnt have learned in class… gotta love the ancients in the back…

does these means we’s have’s the reals gong fu, bawang???

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mang dun b dum . im generalizing

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[QUOTE=bawang;1040022]mang dun b dum . im generalizing[/QUOTE]

I’ve known you for long enough to know exactly what you are talking about. :wink:

And had enough hard sparring/fights, gotten my ass kicked enough times to know what is real, fake, bullsh1t or legitimate…

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[QUOTE=Violent Designs;1040038]I’ve known you for long enough to know exactly what you are talking about. :wink:

And had enough hard sparring/fights, gotten my ass kicked enough times to know what is real, fake, bullsh1t or legitimate…[/QUOTE]

well la di da!!! arent you so fukcing special!!!:stuck_out_tongue:

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u teach real kung fu then in 1 year ur student finishes learning eveything and leaves you, you cant make easy monies

Very true Bawang!!! thats how my teacher teaches.

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[QUOTE=tiaji1983;1040046]u teach real kung fu then in 1 year ur student finishes learning eveything and leaves you, you cant make easy monies

Very true Bawang!!! thats how my teacher teaches.[/QUOTE]

So… your teacher drags your training out?

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[QUOTE=Xiao3 Meng4;1040052]So… your teacher drags your training out?[/QUOTE]

i was thinking the same thing??? are you saying this is a good thing, taiji??? that your sifu is sapping his students??? basing their curriculum on getting the most money rather than the best course for getting the best results and value for their dollar for each student???

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Domination or Dumb-in-nation

First off, much respect to all styles.

I dont know about this video but I just sparred with a Muay Thai guy in the street. I must say Bagua is not meant to be in a ring with rules. The song and dance without Fajin will equal the result in this video. Thus why the MT dude dominated.

Anyhow, back to my personal experience. Bagua…at least Yin Style…is not meant to play, dance or back paddle. I knocked down my opponent three times…cold, crisp and fast and all within a 30 sec to a minute of our session. We put only 20 to 30 percent in effort in 3 - 3 to 5 minute rounds. In a real fight, the ornate changes in Bagua and quick control of the situation would of won in just a few moments.

MY MISTAKE was that I felt bad and eased up(STUPID MISTAKE in my part) to prolong the training to three rounds and have a happy ending of no one getting hurt. This mistake led to my legs getting chopped away with Muay Thai’s thigh kicks…which still aches and its been 4 days now. The 8 oz gloves worn was a total disadvantage for me and it was hard to tear, push and pull with simultaneous motions. My only glorified moments was when I executed Lion cutting and monkey strikes. The cool stuff was not executed due to rules and the false safety thick ass gloves that was worn.

I say we both won and made mistakes. His mistake was to under estimate me at the very beginning. My mistake was going soft after a few slams and played a game in Muay Thai’s court wearing gear that took away my empty palms.

What I LOVED about this interaction was seeing and getting first hand insight on RECEIVING Muay Thai combos. Now my experience is to cut and shave what would work in a ring from Bagua methods that would be regulated.

Any case guys, A LIFE TIME OF practice does not mount to ONE real fight. It is those who HUMBLY spar and fight other styles…to learn from mistakes and still have all body parts to function in full and to continue to chisel your body as a tool to become a great fighter.

My sparring partner said, “wow, you made me nervous and that Muay Thai is meant to hurt but your stuff is meant to kill…I like what you brought to the table, it was new and a great experience.” I can only agree and smile while enjoying the same experience.

Now we are friends and going to spar again next week. Just thought I’d share.

I would have more respect from both parties if they show continuing education by humbly sparring other styles…whether you lose or not. Its not Gladiator, you can lose a fight, still live and still fight, your life is not taken.Take advantage of modern cage fights/sparring methods and quit making excuses and nonsense ranting. Life is too short, no time for **** measure.

PEACE.

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Bagua is good for handling drunks. And that’s pretty much it in my opinion.

It’s useless against a seasoned boxer or kickboxer and nobody trains any so called internal martial arts in any way shape or form near the intensity required to step into a ring fight with a conditioned and stamina ready fighter with attitude.

I have yet to see a single so called IMA fighter succeed with a sport fight.

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[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1093397]Bagua is good for handling drunks. And that’s pretty much it in my opinion.

It’s useless against a seasoned boxer or kickboxer and nobody trains any so called internal martial arts in any way shape or form near the intensity required to step into a ring fight with a conditioned and stamina ready fighter with attitude.

I have yet to see a single so called IMA fighter succeed with a sport fight.[/QUOTE]

Why do you always miss the point???

The man said that he sparred a MT guy. He was kind enough to tell us about his experience, and also made other sensible points. Yet, you ignore all that and gave your clueless opinion about one of the most powerful kung fu styles out there.

My advice to you is to find a REAL kung fu sifu, and train for some years, yes years and not a year, as despite popular belief by this forum’s kung fu clueless knuckleheads, you don’t become a kung fu master in one year! In fact you don’t even get a basic understanding of the principles in one year!

There you go, now take that advice and leave the “smart ass” comments to the smart people.:wink:

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[QUOTE=3DeeMonk;1093377]First off, much respect to all styles.

I dont know about this video but I just sparred with a Muay Thai guy in the street. I must say Bagua is not meant to be in a ring with rules. The song and dance without Fajin will equal the result in this video. Thus why the MT dude dominated.

Anyhow, back to my personal experience. Bagua…at least Yin Style…is not meant to play, dance or back paddle. I knocked down my opponent three times…cold, crisp and fast and all within a 30 sec to a minute of our session. We put only 20 to 30 percent in effort in 3 - 3 to 5 minute rounds. In a real fight, the ornate changes in Bagua and quick control of the situation would of won in just a few moments.

MY MISTAKE was that I felt bad and eased up(STUPID MISTAKE in my part) to prolong the training to three rounds and have a happy ending of no one getting hurt. This mistake led to my legs getting chopped away with Muay Thai’s thigh kicks…which still aches and its been 4 days now. The 8 oz gloves worn was a total disadvantage for me and it was hard to tear, push and pull with simultaneous motions. My only glorified moments was when I executed Lion cutting and monkey strikes. The cool stuff was not executed due to rules and the false safety thick ass gloves that was worn.

I say we both won and made mistakes. His mistake was to under estimate me at the very beginning. My mistake was going soft after a few slams and played a game in Muay Thai’s court wearing gear that took away my empty palms.

What I LOVED about this interaction was seeing and getting first hand insight on RECEIVING Muay Thai combos. Now my experience is to cut and shave what would work in a ring from Bagua methods that would be regulated.

Any case guys, A LIFE TIME OF practice does not mount to ONE real fight. It is those who HUMBLY spar and fight other styles…to learn from mistakes and still have all body parts to function in full and to continue to chisel your body as a tool to become a great fighter.

My sparring partner said, “wow, you made me nervous and that Muay Thai is meant to hurt but your stuff is meant to kill…I like what you brought to the table, it was new and a great experience.” I can only agree and smile while enjoying the same experience.

Now we are friends and going to spar again next week. Just thought I’d share.

I would have more respect from both parties if they show continuing education by humbly sparring other styles…whether you lose or not. Its not Gladiator, you can lose a fight, still live and still fight, your life is not taken.Take advantage of modern cage fights/sparring methods and quit making excuses and nonsense ranting. Life is too short, no time for **** measure.

PEACE.[/QUOTE]

lord another one

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[QUOTE=Frost;1093420]lord another one[/QUOTE]

I still say that you should be posting in an MMA forum. :wink:

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[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1093423]I still say that you should be posting in an MMA forum. ;)[/QUOTE]

who says i dont :slight_smile:

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[QUOTE=Frost;1093445]who says i dont :)[/QUOTE]

You should keep your posts there, perhaps…:wink:

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If this person’s bagua can’t work under controlled circumstances in which he is in a level playing field, how can it ever hope to work were there are “no rules” and his opponent won’t “play fair”?

As Ron Burgandy would say:
“That doesn’t make any sense”.

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[QUOTE=tiaji1983;1040046]u teach real kung fu then in 1 year ur student finishes learning eveything and leaves you, you cant make easy monies

Very true Bawang!!! thats how my teacher teaches.[/QUOTE]

What, by not teaching them as well as he could do, so he can get more money out of them?

Classy sounding guy. Well done - I’m sure you’ll do well at that school, in about another 20,000 dollars time. Hope you don’t get attacked until then.