What will happen when a Bagua guy fights a WC guy?
Please comment.
they will grapple and gnp :eek:
dirty wing chun.
That was embarrassing to watch 
They just fight by whatever engrained reactions are most dominate, which judging by the fight was not either style, and the most aggressive stronger fighter wins.
That’s sport fighting.
The interest thing about that WC fight was his opponent studied him in great detail and he didn’t even notice it. Is there a such thing that you should hide how you are going to fight before the fighting start? If the WC guy was smart, he should jump up and down like everybody else and suddently moved in and take his opponent’s head off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1dh_x2rqKc&feature=player_embedded
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1148396]What will happen when a Bagua guy fights a WC guy?
Please comment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h-gev8goEI&feature=related[/QUOTE]
Silly straw man comparisons.I didn’t see any wc- just some poor chap with a hand overextended.
Why do you make these silly comparisons?
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Silly straw man comparisons.I didn’t see any wc- just some poor chap with a hand overextended.
Why do you make these silly comparisons?[/QUOTE]
I wondered that until his last post. Apparently he was trying to illustrate a point about the art of war.
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;1148425]Why do you make these silly comparisons?[/QUOTE]
Sometime we could learn from good fight. Sometime we could learn from bad fight as well. I don’t care about the fighting result. There is always a winner and there is always a loser. But not knowing why you lose could be a problem.
How to
- hide your style,
- study your opponent,
before the fight could have some interesting discussion.
The Bagua circle walking fight style also has some weakness.
See? Told ya so. 
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yup-he gets bored when not lecturing.[/QUOTE]
- I started this thread as “Please comment.”
- You asked me, “Why do you make these silly comparisons?”
- I give your my reason, “… could have some interesting discussion.”
- You then say that I’m “lecturing”.
Will it be better if I just ignore your question and not answer your question at all?
If I started a thread as “lecturing”, Instead of saying, “Please comment”, I will say, “Just shut up and listen”. But I will never do that.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1148396]What will happen when a Bagua guy fights a WC guy?
Please comment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io_qLYs8Ocw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h-gev8goEI&feature=related[/QUOTE]
Those guys were fighting?
this is a reasonable discussion. the wing chun fighter was an inexperienced last minute replacement when another fighter pulled out. the other fighter was a much more experienced mma fighter. though the wing chun fighter did not win, kudos for 1) stepping into the ring 2) fighting using what he knows of his art.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1148416][SIZE=“4”]The interest thin[/SIZE]g about that WC fight [SIZE=“4”]was his opponent studied him in great detail and he didn’t even notice it.[/SIZE] Is there a such thing that you should hide how you are going to fight before the fighting start? If the WC guy was smart, he should jump up and down like everybody else and suddently moved in and take his opponent’s head off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1dh_x2rqKc&feature=player_embedded[/QUOTE]
Yeah. I missed that comment the last time you posted too.
That was interesting. I know this one guy who’s form looks really good. Even looks powerful and all that but he can’t fight at all. The problem with his fighting is, IMO, the same as with his form. His intent is all on what he is doing and not enough on what the other guy is doing. That’s sort of what I saw in this fight clip you posted. The WC guy had a very clear idea how he was going to fight. The other guy also had a very clear idea how the WC guy was gonna fight. 
Sadly, for the WC guy, that flow of information only went one direction.
They just fight by whatever engrained reactions are most dominate, which judging by the fight was not either style, and the most aggressive stronger fighter wins.
That’s sport fighting.
Thats all fighting not just sport fighting.
First vid looked like the typical cage fight. One guy was stupid for staying rooted, he paid for it with a take down.
Second vid was a sparring match it looked like. Some back and forth not much special. I only watched a minute or so of it though.
I liked the second clip because they were more evenly matched. It would suck to train for a fight like the first clip and have it over in 5 seconds! Win or lose.
[QUOTE=Egg fu young;1148495]I liked the second clip because they were more evenly matched. It would suck to train for a fight like the first clip and have it over in 5 seconds! Win or lose.[/QUOTE]
Agree that we are not talking about win or lose here. If we put the whole earth population in a ring, there will only be one winner. After that winner dies, the earth will fill with all losers. It’s the combat strategy that’s more interest to discuss here.
Those 2 clips show 2 complete different styles. The WC guys tried to stand in solid stance and wait for his opponent to come in. The Bagua guy moved around and force his opponent to move with him. It’s not hard to see that the Bagua guy was leading the fight.
Old saying said, “Even if you don’t have plan, you should still move around and never stop. During your moving, you will find opportunity to attack.” This old saying had brought the meaning of “footwork” to a different level. It’s not just how to response to your opponent but how to force your opponent to response to you.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1148543]The WC guys tried to stand in solid stance and wait for his opponent to come in. The Bagua guy moved around and force his opponent to move with him. It’s not hard to see that the Bagua guy was leading the fight.
Old saying said, “Even if you don’t have plan, you should still move around and never stop. During your moving, you will find opportunity to attack.” This old saying had brought the meaning of “footwork” to a different level. It’s not just how to response to your opponent but how to force your opponent to response to you.[/QUOTE]
Are we watching different clips? The WC guy runs right into it.
[QUOTE=ShaolinDan;1148547]Are we watching different clips? The WC guy runs right into it.[/QUOTE]
You are right. He did run into it. He gave me impression that he didn’t move much.