My view on the “extended bridge”:
I’ve used it a few times effectively.
It is an invitation to the opponent, you do NOT charge with it ( you do not charge with WC at all as a matter of fact).
It cuts ONE line of attack from your opponent causing him to either go around it, over it or under it ( going through it gets him nailed).
It serves its purpose and CAN work really well.
A friend of mine asked me how I made it work when we did free sparring and I said I made it work because:
I hit very hard (which I do)
I have a strategy to go with it.
comment??? the guy in the first clip had good shoulder endurance to keep his hands up so long, shame his fighting s*cked, second clip was almost as bad at least the first clip was an actual fight second just looked like sparring, and the question is moot because as everyone knows if the two actually met which ever fighter lost would be doing a bad representation of his art and not doing it correctly so theres no point in talking about how the fight would go :rolleyes:
Please don’t get upset but we going round and round over the same stupid stuff. There was no WC or Bagua, there was only sports martial arts. One guy came unprepared and got tossed on his a$$.
MMA or other Sports MA events such as these produce some great fights sometimes and then others they produce crappy stuff like the first vid (BTW it was soo bad I did not even watch the second vid).
Sometimes you will see good fighters bring bits of their style into the ring. Mostly everyone adheres to Sports MA rules and that changes how you will train for that fight. A lot of people dump their TCMA and just do the San Shou or BJJ or MMA route.
Please everyone quit harping on WC or TCMA or creating stupid threads like WC VS Bagua. It is a waste of everyone time.
Please don’t get upset but we going round and round over the same stupid stuff. There was no WC or Bagua, there was only sports martial arts. One guy came unprepared and got tossed on his a$$.
MMA or other Sports MA events such as these produce some great fights sometimes and then others they produce crappy stuff like the first vid (BTW it was soo bad I did not even watch the second vid).
Sometimes you will see good fighters bring bits of their style into the ring. Mostly everyone adheres to Sports MA rules and that changes how you will train for that fight. A lot of people dump their TCMA and just do the San Shou or BJJ or MMA route.
Please everyone quit harping on WC or TCMA or creating stupid threads like WC VS Bagua. It is a waste of everyone time.
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Perhaps the question then should be why do SOME TCMA NOT work in the sport environment when other systems do?
Doesn’t that make them inferior?
An art that doesn’t work under controlled circumstances doesn’t hold much hope under uncontrolled ones.
[QUOTE=ShaolinDan;1148547]Are we watching different clips? The WC guy runs right into it.[/QUOTE]
That was my first thought. The fight was bizarre. Pre-bell the Wing Chun player holds a rigid goat stance for minutes and then as soon as the bell goes he tosses that out of the window and goes charging in. Anyone with any sort of grappling knowledge would’ve taken him down. I watched it and wondered what on earth was the point of all that showiness if the second the fighting starts you abandon your form completely. This is without getting into the question of whether or not standing in a goat stance before a fight makes sense.
I found the Baguazhang exchange equally as odd. Lots of form when not engaged descended quickly into little more than hanging onto each others waists when fighting. Again a massive rupture between the form and the fighting. I didn’t see much sense in all the circling and I didn’t see much Bagua in the attacks. Admittedly I only watched the first minute or so before I got bored but I would’ve thought one of the two might have tried to grab a leg, sank down to use their body weight to achieve a throw or something. Didn’t see any of that.
[QUOTE=Crosshandz;1148584]That was my first thought. The fight was bizarre. Pre-bell the Wing Chun player holds a rigid goat stance for minutes and then as soon as the bell goes he tosses that out of the window and goes charging in. Anyone with any sort of grappling knowledge would’ve taken him down. I watched it and wondered what on earth was the point of all that showiness if the second the fighting starts you abandon your form completely. This is without getting into the question of whether or not standing in a goat stance before a fight makes sense.
I found the Baguazhang exchange equally as odd. Lots of form when not engaged descended quickly into little more than hanging onto each others waists when fighting. Again a massive rupture between the form and the fighting. I didn’t see much sense in all the circling and I didn’t see much Bagua in the attacks. Admittedly I only watched the first minute or so before I got bored but I would’ve thought one of the two might have tried to grab a leg, sank down to use their body weight to achieve a throw or something. Didn’t see any of that.[/QUOTE]
I can understand why the WC guy probably made that mistake:
He saw what the other guys was “looking” to do and that was charge him and he ( the wc guy) thought that he would “beat him to the punch”.
I give the guy credit for getting into the ring, but he was SO tensed up, holding that on-guard position so long before the match even started. Even when no one was standing in front of him, he kept it up, almost like rigor mortis. It’s no wonder he got steamrolled so easily.
Let me ask this simple question then. How can a WC guy be able to reach to this level? Should his training need some modification? Should he spend more time to train his footwork?
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1148589]Let me ask this simple question then. How can a WC guy be able to reach to this level? Should his training need some modification? Should he spend more time to train his footwork?
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1148586]I can understand why the WC guy probably made that mistake:
He saw what the other guys was “looking” to do and that was charge him and he ( the wc guy) thought that he would “beat him to the punch”.[/QUOTE]
But the other guy crouched repeatedly in the build up to the fight. Surely that was a clue that he wouldn’t mind attacking him at the waist, which is precisely what happened? If your opponent threw kicks out during the warmup you’d assume they were a kicker, if they bobbed and weaved a boxer, if they crouch low a ground fighter, no?
There is no sense in what the Wing Chun guy did. None.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1148590]Elite level fighters are born, not made John.
ANYONE can become a competent fighter but to compete at the elite level, that is another thing entirely.[/QUOTE]
This.
Elite level in any sport is genetics + superior training.
Sure, some people use genetics as an excuse, but some people will not be elite level even with perfect training and perfect diet/supps/coaching/drugs.
It’s not PC to say this, though, so I expect to be flamed.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1148589]Let me ask this simple question then. How can a WC guy be able to reach to this level? Should his training need some modification? Should he spend more time to train his footwork?
[QUOTE=IronFist;1148604]Didn’t we already talk about that clip in another thread? It wasn’t WC, therefore it’s not even relevant to ask “how can a WC guy reach this level?”[/QUOTE]
Continuous straight punches is continuous straight punches. Whether you want to call it “chain punches” or “head hunting”, it won’t make any difference. The word “style” has no meaning to me. It’s the end result that I care about. when I was 11 years old, I was forced to train “1 step 3 punches” for 3 years. I didn’t know what style that I trained and I didn’t care.
Sometime people may only pay attention on how fast that they can punch without moving forward. IMO, the fast forward footwork is more important than the fast punches.
Just wonder if people will agree with me on the importance of the footwork training. This thread is really trying to discuss “footwork”. If you can run your opponent down, your chain punches may not even be needed.
Most TCMA are rooted in self defense, but these sport fighting events pretty much are just offense against offense, for a lot of reasons that most people do not seem to be aware of.
So training just full offense seems to work good for these events, hit him before he hits you, not really self defense unless you can prove he was going to kill you first outside the ring.
A punch is a punch, who cares what style, style does not make much difference in sport fighting, because of the rules you will not see a style.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1148608]Continuous straight punches is continuous straight punches. Whether you want to call it “chain punches” or “head hunting”, it won’t make any difference. The word “style” has no meaning to me. It’s the end result that I care about. when I was 11 years old, I was forced to train “1 step 3 punches” for 3 years. I didn’t know what style that I trained and I didn’t care.
Sometime people may only pay attention on how fast that they can punch without moving forward. IMO, the fast forward footwork is more important than the fast punches.
Just wonder if people will agree with me on the importance of the footwork training. This thread is really trying to discuss “footwork”. If you can run your opponent down, your chain punches may not even needed.[/QUOTE]
All I’m saying is if someone showed me that clip and said “I want to learn how to fight like that. What should I do?” I wouldn’t tell them to join a WC school.
[QUOTE=IronFist;1148613]All I’m saying is if someone showed me that clip and said “I want to learn how to fight like that. What should I do?” I wouldn’t tell them to join a WC school.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1148608]
Just wonder if people will agree with me on the importance of the footwork training. This thread is really trying to discuss “footwork”. If you can run your opponent down, your chain punches may not even needed.[/QUOTE]
“If the feet are not right, the hands will be light.”
