Attn: Frank

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FirstlyFrank,

Its getting kind of old how you always frame things as a thinly veiled question to which you already have the answer.

There’s a name for this kind of thing…it’s called TROLLING!

If you want to say something then just say it. Don’t ask a question unless you want to actually have a dialogue with another person.

Secondly,

In another thread you called me and I quote “fu pow you lame ass limbo bound clf monkey” and “i understand you have no real lineage to hold on to so you hold on to the chan side of things.”

I’m not sure if you realize it but your second comment is highly offensive not only to me but to my Sifu, my classmates and anyone else that was a student of Lee Koon Hung.

Because we all share the same lineage…which is part Jeong Yim and part Chan Family. We align ourselves with the Jeong Yim side of things but make no mistake that our lineage is very mixed up.

And, BTW, because our forms and training draw from both sources and have for a very long time, we have the best of the best. Where as by limiting yourself to one side of the equation you’ll never be nearly as good as us.

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no disrespect to lee koon hung

lets’s get something straight.

i will never disrespect lee koon hung for he himself is a known hung sing supporter.

as long as you have been on this forum, all the hung sing and buk sing students have questioned your loyalty.

you tell me…was lee koon hung a hung sing man, or a chan family man?

you yourself are a chan family supporter with no desire to dig up the hung sing history.

unlike you, i will keep talking until proven wrong. i d my research, talk to who i need to talk to and then present my findings.

you are a punk. i will not hide that feeling from you.

frank

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as good as who?

you said the best of the best, and as good as who?

are you as good as me?

what are you talking about? forms aren’t how you base you ablitlities are they?

who said you are the best. or that lee koon hung’s school is the best? why are you making that assumption?

frank

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Re: no disrespect to lee koon hung

Was LKH a Hung Sing man or Chan Family man?

Well to tell you the truth…publicly he aligned himself with the Hung Sing side but he was either partially ignorant or intentionally obscured the truth about the other influence on our forms and training.

But pay attention here Frank,

LKH is considered a great man because he was open minded. Much like Chan Heung he took the best that he learned from many skilled martial artists and consolidated it into a unified and workable art. This included many people in the CLF community as well as outside it including Shek Kin for one.

He was unifier. He brought people together. His goal was not to divide them apart.

He was a great promoter of his style. He had not only the skills but the flare and showmanship to draw people to the style. He held widely attended tournaments, published books and generally worked to make CLF well known.

You could learn from his example Frank. Rather than make everything a “either/or”, “black/white” and “our side/their side” argument. What have you or your school done to promote CLF outside of your precious little Futsan Hung Sing circle?

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Re: as good as who?

Originally posted by SifuX-HSK
[B]you said the best of the best, and as good as who?

are you as good as me?

what are you talking about? forms aren’t how you base you ablitlities are they?

who said you are the best. or that lee koon hung’s school is the best? why are you making that assumption?

frank [/B]

Forms, fighting, attitude, lion dance…you name it…we are the best…in the US at least.

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fu pow

do you realize i have 5 different books in project? they are all on choy lee fut!

do you know what i am doing when i am not on this forum?

lau bun is of the hung sing branch. the hung sing school all the way back to fut san feel we are the true founders of clf.

you are a chan family supporter, blinded by the chan growing number of forms, the sway of their claiming lineage holdings.

you are a lost little sheep.

you need to find your way. you do sound a little like doc fai wong.
go ahead and jump ships. i don’t care.

let me ask you something? in the real kung fu world, what is the opinion of someone who jumps ship, and learns all types of styles at once?

frank

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yeah right?

forms, fighting, and the rest, huh?

i bet you you would lose to me, though. in fighting, forms, weapons.

YOU are not that good!!!

you are kinda soft.

frank

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fu pow

you ask what we are doing to promote choy lee fut?

why dont you ask my sifu?

what are you doing to promote the hung sing branch?

your sifu is of the hung sing branch, so why have you strayed from his beliefs and went over to the chan side? the number of forms? the lineage claims?

what will you do when the chan side of things fall apart?

we are doing more than you know.

i am doing far more than you know.

you survive on the forum, and complain when i get more recognition than your boring posts.

check yourself fu pow.

out of respect for lee koon hung i will not say anything further.
i will not be drawn out to insult your late grandmaster.

keep on talking **** on how great you and your school is, i will stop biting my tongue and set the record straight from my point of view.

frank

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Enough tongue wagger…you know who you remind me of that dude on Lord of Rings…the Wormtongue guy who whispers poisonous thoughts into everyone’s ears.

Only your not as smooth as him…cause when you get called out you blow your top.

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tops are never blown

tops are never blown, just your cover !

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Hahaha … hahahahahahaha … gasp … hahahahahaha

I love it.

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Best in the country in lion huh?

yah…

:rolleyes:

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Hey, hey

BMore Banga,

Cut that out, I know who you are.

Jerry Battle.:smiley:

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hey man gimme a break, them’s usually fightin words. :smiley:

'sides, even if he means “just in the clf family”; our other “farn gwut” friend (uncle ping) may have some personal stake, in addition to “his Overlord-ness”. :wink:

point taken tho… I’ll keep my mouth shut… 'sides my head snappin days are over… ooohhhhh those were the days… :stuck_out_tongue:

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to: fu pow

man,

i think that was a pretty bold statement you made that your school is the best in all those categories.

well, as far as i know, yau kung mun and the white crane schools here is sf are world champions in lion dancing.

i thought the white crane school might like to see what you said and they said they will be getting in contact with you soon.
oh, i hope no one from ykm is on this forum. they may take that as an insult.

ya know, the last time the white crane and ykm clashed some people ended up hurt and even stabbed. if i were you i would take that comment back before its too late.

so you also claim that your school is the best in fighting. so your people have beaten buk sings shane lacey, then?!

i’d hate for shane lacey to hear what you just said.

i hope sifu mak doesn’t find out about this.

frank

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Gosh yeah Frank, I hope my Sifu doesn’t find out that I was touting his school as the best. What’s he gonna think…that I have massive pride for my school!!! Gosh that would be awful. Your thinly veiled threats and accusation roll off me like water off a ducks back. And BTW nice try, trying to get me to bad mouth other schools. God…you’re such a chump. Do you have like 80 IQ points?

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just a little more

no not 80 iq points, 81.5, sucka!

get it straight.

but at least i didn’t put my foot in it and **** off a whole bunch of world champ schools.

if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…

i hope you washed your toes first before you inserted them.

take care buddy,

frank

oh do let us know what the white crane schools have said to your sifu for us okay?

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Fu-Pow:

As much as the two of you might not get along kung fu is supposed to teach us to be humble even when provoked. We all have pride in our sifu’s and schools but we must try to keep an even temper and refrain from boastful statements as it can only get oneself in trouble. Remember there is always someone out there better than us: be it fighting, forms or lion dance.

Frank (I posted this on another thread and don’t think you read it):

I respect your intentions, although sometimes you come off a bit harsh you live and die CLF.

Personally I choose to stay out of the politics and care more about my own kung fu and the betterment of it. I never try to use my father-in-law’s name for the sake of reputation or anything, I prefer to keep a low pro and practise hard.

The only problem I have with the Jeong Yim history is that things seem to change. A long time ago you posted about Chan Hueng and Jeong Yim creating the 8 initial CLF sets (tai, ping, tien, kwok, etc…) Recently you said that Ping Kuen, Sup Gee Kow Dah and another were created by Chan Ngau Sing from a form called In and Out Baat Kwa that was taught to Jeong Yim from Ching Cho War Sherng.

History needs to be more consistent. That being said just becuase Chan Yiu Chi wrote his version history down on paper doesn’t make it the end all truth either. I mean he was the grandson of Chan Hueng and how much do you or I know about the lives of our grandfathers with 100% certainty.

History is great and fun to talk about but none of us were there and there is no one left alive who was there either and therefore nothing is 100% certain and is subject to speculation. I think if people in general were more about promoting CLF and less about promoting themselves or their lineage we would be much better off as a style. Look at the problems hung gar and wing chun have had and for what, who followed Lam Sai Wing, who followed Lam Jo, which wing chun sifu was better, its all pointless and has no bearing on an individuals kung fu.

I look at kung fu like this: I have been practicing dilligently for over 10 years and my kung fu is at a fairly good level. But there is always someone better so that always motivates me to improve and work harder. If I don’t get good practice in during the week and just teach I get quite grumpy becuase I do kung fu for me. I like to teach and try to help others but bottom line is kung fu is for me.

Anyway I have been rambling to long and kind of went off on a tangent.

Peace.

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Also please try to keep Lee Koon Hung’s name out of the arguement as both of you don’t actually know a lot about his beliefs regarding this issue. As far as being a Chan Man or Jeong Yim Man, there are things that don’t need to be stated on an open forum that might suprise you, however it does not relate to your arguement.

Peace.

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clfnole

clf nole:

yes i am a die hard hs clf man. i won’t deny it. but i have done my research, and since i have been to fut san and saw their records i am more sure now that our branch holds all the chips.

yeah i come on strong. yet, i am mostly alone here fighting off an army of people. lets face it, the chan side will go down fighting about their history, but so will the hung sing people.

yes i said that there were said to be 8 original forms. but the more i keep doing my research i am learning more and more new things.

the one thing i am sure of is that the chan family is working hard at trying to convince the world of their story. and that’s all i have a problem with. i have never said anything bad about anyone’s clf. i am just particular to lau bun’s clf, his methods, his mindset, his approach. plus it doesn’t hurt to have a sifu who has been down in the trenches using clf in real life combat on the streets.

come on, first every single chan family man on earth fought the green grass monk idea, but for them to fold and try to shift the green grass monk over to their side by claiming he was actually monk choy fook. that was where they went wrong.

now the hung sing people see that as an opportunity to tell the world that the chan family doesn’t have the true history.

i do agree, that the development of your personal gung fu is paramount. i work on that every day. i am a clf man to the bone.
if anyone told me my clf is wrong they would have to prove it to me first in combat, and i mean not in the ring, either!

clfnole, it is hard to stand my position and believe what i believe while i see hung sing members out here afraid to speak up. if you truly do the research and put aside the chan family records for a second, one may understand what i mean.

there is far more to clf than what was written by chan yiu chi.
if not then why does their story stop at chan heung?

***the history of choy lee fut was never truly recorded as it happened. there are no documents available dating back to the early 1800’s. they claim to have proof because someone in their brnch wrote the history according to the chan clan.

so if that history is true, then why does the hung sing and buk sing branch resist what the chan clan claims? aren’t we all supposed to be part of the same lineage? so why are there 4 families in the choy lee fut family? the 4th being strong winning founded by chan koon pak.

now look at this loong gee choy question. it makes sense when you look at it and understand the time in china back then.

sorry to those i offend with my harshness, but i am a hung sing soldier. i know my history. so if i am wrong, then prove me so beyond the shadow of a doubt. make me believe chan clan history. until then, i’ll keep up the fight to promote the fut san hung sing kwoon history.

frank