that isn’t my question. my question is why?
seriously, raise your hand if you’ve ever been asked to describe a technique in this manner.
raises hand
really?
there have been threads on this board about, for example, defending against a leg kick. and when i chimed in and said, “i’d probably opt for the shin block or retrada footwork,” i didn’t have muay thai aficianados quizzing me on the mechanics of a shin block to see if i was full of sh@t.
so what was yours?
perhaps i’m being overreactionary. and if i am, i apologize. but i just don’t see anything in this thread that warranted the trial by fire.
stuart b.
LMAO!!!
You got it wrong!!! It’s a downward diagonal strike ( I think) strike!!! You’re not worthy of posting on this bored, I think you should leave now 
You’re right Ap, it is pretty silly.
On a side not, I’ve heard people say that the’ve “toyed” with Kung Fu fighters. I’ve heard people say the’ve “toyed” with kickboxers. But I’ve never heard anybody claim the’ve toyed with an Escrimador.
well… at least i was right about… being wrong about the thrust.
[sigh]
well, let me be the first then. i’ve been toyed with. by other eskrimadors, generally. and by merryprankster. i’m convinced he could turn me into some horrific human christmas wreath if he so chose.
stuart b.
I think Stuart has the hots for a certain boxer girl.. :rolleyes:
yeah, kristoffer, i do. i’m in the habit of falling for nameless, faceless identities on the internet.
please.
stuart b.
I’m usually a tad suspicious whenever a non CMA person comes around. I was wary of MerryPrankster when he first came aboard. He’s shown he’s a good guy now, but I watched him for a while to see what he was about. Why not nip it in the bud. If someone claims to be a boxer, they should have a knowledge of basic boxing. They may still be a troll, but at least you know they’re an informed troll.
Anyway, here’s a brief take on the jab from my experience.
When moving forward or advancing, the jab is in the back foot. This allows you to jab while entering into punching range. The logic becomes clear when you consider boxing footwork. If you want to move forward, the front foot moves first. If you want to move backward, the rear foot moves first. So as can be seen, the backward jab used defensively is anchored into the front foot.
The jab is unique among boxing punches in that it does not rely on the torque of the hip. This is because it is not a power shot. It is used to gauge range and create an opening. The jab can be painful in and of itself, but is designed as the beginning of a combination. The advancing jab also naturally sets up power shots from the right side. If practiced sufficiently, the combination becomes very natural in it’s execution.
water dragon,
you seem like a good guy. nothing’s changed in that regard, as far as i’m concerned. i just think it’s sad that this is now our default.
i’m not a kung fu guy. was that a point of concern? is it still?
if this is how we regard any new non-CMA person who comes here, then the trolls have really had their desired effect. and that bothers me.
maybe i’m wrong. maybe boxerchick is a complete troll. but personally, i’d rather give her the benefit of the doubt until there’s some solid reason to believe otherwise. a statement like, “kung fu never beats boxing” is grounds, to my mind. a statement like, “i’ve seen boxers play with kung fu practitioners”, not so much.
stuart b.
i’ll get my coat.
boxergirl and Stuuuart, sitting in a tree.. 
[laugh]
damm!t kristoffer, i’m supposed to be full of righteous indignation over here.
stuart b.
Water,
You’re right and not right
You’re absolutely correct that the jab is a gauging weapon—it’s a set up, you can jab your way in, or keep people off of you with it.
A step, however is not fundamentally necessary. When you DON’T step with a jab, the snap in it DOES come from hip torque. There’s not much but it’s there. You turn the shoulder a bit to face the opponent, and place your body right behind the punch. This makes a nice stiff jab while both feet are in contact with the ground. You might, for instance, do this when you are moving laterally and the opponent is trying to come in. You don’t want to necessarily move backwards while hitting because this doesn’t make the opponent think twice about what he’s doing… he’ll happily stalk you down. So you “stick,” for a second, throw your jab from outside their range, with both feet planted and that little shoulder twist, but you don’t take that step. Now you’ve interrupted his forward movement…and you can throw some more junk or you move. Of course, this all happens in the blink of an eye.
And I really think what Ap is trying to say is that he’s concerned that the forum has begun to approach new members with a default attitude of “prove you’re not a troll, FIRST, then we’ll talk.” I don’t know how accurate it is, since I’ve not really been following this thread. I think it’s a reasonable concern. It’s more of a “working environment,” concern than pointing fingers, I believe. At least, that’s how I read it.
And really Water, we were both hoping you’d teach the Shuai Chaio classes when we open our MA dream school in 20 years, so I hope there’s no hard feelings.
yep. that’s it. said much more diplomatically or succinctly than i’ve managed today.
listen, i’m not looking to argue. if i’m being an arse, sorry. i’m in the middle of my first exams in 8 years. (going back to school) but i do have a very real concern that we’re approaching new people like this. if we do, we get stuck with the old guard and the true trolls.
and i get an email, in the middle of all this, reading "we should get waterdragon to teach shuai chiao.’ figures. my timing’s impeccable.
stuart b.
First, don’t get mad because you made me suspicious at first 
Second, yeah, you’re right on the jab. But I still don’t see the hip movement. The hip does line up into the punch, but I was never taught that you focus on the hips. Maybe I just missed that part.
Third, It’ll be a couple years before I’m anywhere near qualified enough to teach Shuai Chiao. I’m still trying to get the throws down.
Oh, I don’t think you missed anything. I think they say “turn your shoulder!”
But the alignment puts snap in it.
MY GOD PEOPLE…can’t we all just get along?? Except maybe for Jackie…and who CARES if it’s another troll or not…aren’t you guys used to that yet??
~Wen~
Well now, this is what happens when whackadoodles like that crossdressing self-proclaimed ‘cum dumpster’ Stacey and the ever-popular would-be bimbo ‘tee-hee’ Jacki get everyone worked up - paranoia rules the day.
If she’s a troll, it will soon be apparent. If she’s for real, y’all are being astonishingly RUDE.
Boxerchick asked a legit question - does anyone box as a form of crosstraining or conditioning? I’ve been thinking about doing exactly that, so I’m curious as to the answers.
So. Do any of you kungfu folks box?
i’m not a kung fu practitioner, but i do practice boxing, yeah.
Bwahahaha…Oh man, if (s)he’s real, boxerchick is never ever gonna come back here. We’re such a bunch of a$$holes.