I did a class yesterday & man is my boxing training stuffing me up. I like to throw my shoulder behind punches (for that little bit extra 
) but I find that it is not structurally sound to do this as you immediately lose your square-on stance & overcommit to the strike. Any one else had this problem? I probably only got it right after about 30 attempts but I must admit it felt pretty good after I got it right.
I trained alongside this guy who just kept me constantly off balance every time I tried to overcommit. Though saying that, as a boxer I donāt overcommit a great deal, but compared to a Wing Chun punch the boxing strikes tend to leave you a little overextended and easy to manipulate. He had lots of fun with me.
I love the learning experienceā¦
I know sharky does some boxing. I was going to go check out a boxing school the other day, but turned out to be a kick boxing schoolā¦
I have trained booth boxing and WC. My experience is that it is the foot-work thats not compatible. In boxing you are up on you toes constantly moving in-out and sideways throwing punches. In WC you square of and thus locking the hips. The foot-work gets sort of one-dimensional and the punches are not thrown from the hip anymore.
The main problem for me coming from boxing to WC was adapting to the WC foot-work. Man, did I get thrashed by my sihings in the beginingā¦ 
you right, itās the total difference in foot work that messes me up. I need to improve my boxing footwork a lot.
CBA, i box now, as in, thatās my only " art ". Feels like a shame āgiving upā wing chun but there is no wing chun round here. Maybe when i finish university in 2 1/2 years i can start up again.
Sharkyā¦
How long did you do Wing Chun for? How do you find the handwork suitable for boxing? Have you been able to use any of your WC stuff in boxing sparring yet?
And most importantly (and also the most difficult) do you find it hard not to use your legs when sparring? I got in heaps of s**t one night when I blocked a boxerās right cross to my abdomen with my kneeā¦I was just under pressure, & it was instinctive.
Let us know how you goā¦
Hey straight blast you started training full time yet? How are you funding it? (it is you thats training FT soon isnt it? if not n/m)
Hughes
Yeah, thatās me. I havenāt started yet as the term doesnāt start until Feb 28. Iām also having some hassles with cash, but at this point all is looking good. Iāve moved to the Coast (been here a week & it kicks a**) and started dropping in to lessons every chance I get.
The people who run the course up here (Instructor Grant Mathers) have been as helpful as they possibly could be, putting up with my many questions and many phone calls as I try to get my act together. The classes I have attended have been really good, and I would definately reccomend this course to anyone whoās interested. My Brother in Law is going to do the course also, so Iāll have a training partner outside of class times.
When you asked āHow am I funding itā did you mean funding, or was that a typo for āfindingā? Funding is coming from Austudy (or Youth Allowance or whatever the hell itās called). This is a good thing.
Anyhow Iāll keep yaās in the loopā¦
Hi. I studied wing chun for 2 years, longer if you consider the times between schools. anyway no, i did not find using strict wing chun is good in the ring, you canāt generate enough power without commiting. Youāll find that people with no experience will be punching harder than you. Mainly cos they put more into it (read by wing chunners as " over commit " ). Basically, when youāre ina boxing ring, the most efficient way to fight (using just your arms) is to box. Otherwise theyād be doing whatever it is that is better than boxing.
Yes i have real troubles with the footwork.
"In WC you square of and thus locking the hips. The foot-work gets sort of one-dimensional and the punches are not thrown from the hip anymore. "
This is so true. I found it hard to generate power as my punches all came from using just arm strength. My turning and internal punches were nullified by gloves, plus they canāt beat a good hook cross or uppercut. I find it hard delivering a GOOD right cross cos i canāt get my hips into it. One good thing is being slightly more square on. Iām not getting run rings around even by those with the fancy foot work - he wing chun footwork servers me well, but i have problems with the physics involved with generating power from punches, using the mechanics of the boxing system. I will have to adapt. With time, i will be more of a boxer, and less and less of a CMA. 
I still practice on my wallbag, chain punches and basic strikes, and i play with some blocks. I have stopped doing SLT basically and obviously i do no chi sau. I miss chi sau. I just want to poon sau for a bit
Ho hum at least i am a double hard ******* now.
i did karate and boxing for about 4 years before i found Wing Chun. The way you punch and the footwork was a big problem - but then again, my boxing wasnāt very good (i did karate boxing :D). My punching was lightly more rigid than the person who just did boxing, though i could ādanceā like the rest of them! Iāve spent this last 18 months trying to forget all my previous martial arts conditioning, itās really hard!
Now i do WC i find the footowrk for that difficult! Everyone says itās a āsimpleā style, but d a m n! I guess itās because i donāt get much chance to play Chi Sau. Doing only SLT can really make u stiff when doing chi sau
david
I had such a hard time adjusting from boxing to WC. Take a simple thing as when a boxer gets hit hard his first rection is to close the distance, not back away. What happens? Blunt trauma to the base of the skull in form of multiple elbows thrown, ouch! I got kicked in the balls so often that my kids probably will have evolved a protective cup from birth.
Nowadays I find my experience really useful. I can switch between the two styles without any problems and confuse the hell out of my sparring partners. Trying to mix both similary is a disaster thoughā¦ Boxing is not good to use close distance when fighting a WC practitioner.
āI got kicked in the balls so often that my kids probably will have evolved a protective cup from birth.ā
You crack me up. Thatās the funniest thing Iāve heard all week.
Sharky, how do you think things would be if you were allowed to fight with the gloves off? Do you think your WC punching would be a little more effective if it didnāt have 16 ounces protecting the other guy? The reason I ask is 'cos I find that my WC punching is p*ss weak compared to my boxing punching. However, as Iāve only done a couple of classes I expect this to be so. My teacherās WC punching however is much more powerful than my boxing punch, and he is smaller than me. What do you reckon? Iām gonna have to go back & spar my Muay Thai buddies at some point, and Iād like to have a few surprises for them!
"In WC you square of and thus locking the hips. The foot-work gets sort of one-dimensional and the punches are not thrown from the hip anymore. "
This is why your WC punch is weaker than your boxing punch. The hips and pelvis are not ālockedā and the foot work is not one-dimensional in WC. Contrary to the above statement, the pelvis and hips play a very significant role in the generation, direction, and sinking of power. If your hip and pelvis are locked into a fixed position, you cannot utilize the full potential of your body and the ground. WC power is NOT found in the shoulders, chest, and/or arms.
Dzu
I agree with Dzu. You are supposed to turn your hips and shoulders when you punch. Your WC punches should be as strong as the equivalent boxing punches, although the source of the power comes a little more from a moving stance and a little less from twisting the waist like in boxing. The main thing, and it goes for boxing too, is not to coc-k your hands before your strike (throwing from Mississippi), not to over extend (you might get swept, thrown, or just knocked over. Take your WC punches to a heavy bag and tear that **** up, man.
-FJ
Dzu; I train WT and we have almost all our weight on the back leg. I do think other WC/WT/VT styles have an easier time adapting coming from boxing due to their more neutral stance.
And come on! Do you really think WC punches are as hard and snappy as boxing punches? You must be dreamingā¦ 
I love Wing Chun - but i would have to say that boxing is the ultimate MA, and boxers are the ultimate martial artists.
Cheers !
Nichiren,
If you use the body correctly and donāt just hit with the arms and shoulders, why wouldnāt you have the same power avaialble to you?
Let me ask you this question: Where does the power in boxing come from? Where does it come from in WCK?
Dzu
stuartm sez:I love Wing Chun - but i would have to say that boxing is the ultimate MA, and boxers are the ultimate martial
artists.
If you really believe that- you should do boxing.Why are you doing or talking about wing chun. Boxing is a tough sport. But good wing chun isnt a sportā¦
and in all likelihood you have not had MUCH exposure to first rate
wing chun.
Wing chun has spread so fast and is mass produced-the quality is really diluted from what I have seen over the years. First rate boxing or wrestling is better than third rate wing chun. So most folks with comments like yours above should probably exit from wing chun. Good wing chun on the other hand is a great and comprehensive martial art.
Originally posted by Nichiren
[B]Dzu; I train WT and we have almost all our weight on the back leg. I do think other WC/WT/VT styles have an easier time adapting coming from boxing due to their more neutral stance.
And come on! Do you really think WC punches are as hard and snappy as boxing punches? You must be dreamingā¦ [/B]
If done like it should be then this statement is wrong. In Wing Chun you donāt just stand there and punch, you sink your gravity and torque with it. Even when you chain punch you can get some torque in it. Chain punches are fast as heck and can give decent punishment. Get a good chain puncher to come at you full speed and full force and you will not be able to stop it front on fist to fist. I have had this done to me several times and it really
p i s s es me off, but makes me want to get better at it.
The proof is in the pudding. Walk over to the heavy bag. I said that WC punches are as strong as the equivalent boxing punches, in other words punches that travel over the same distance. Not to say that a lead punch is the same power as a haymaker. I find it perfectly feasible to rock the bag hard with my WC power shots. BTW, I think a lot of the force is from pure muscular strength, sorry to disagree. Aided by correct mechanics. One thing you have to remember is that in WC, the shoulder doesnāt extend away from the torso, but, you still turn the shoulder along with the rest of your torso and your shoulder is low and behind the punch, with the elbow down. Also, rather than planting your feet early and moving your body weight forward onto the lead leg when you hit, like in boxing, your still stepping forward with your weight pretty balanced and donāt plant you stepping foot until the moment of impact.
About the chain punches: Doesnāt this expose the midsection?
We train to get that kick up there pretty fast.
Just my opinions
-FJ
Originally posted by fa_jing
About the chain punches: Doesnāt this expose the midsection?
We train to get that kick up there pretty fast.
Well, if you can nail the person before they start to chain punch then I think it would help to prvent or mess up their plan. The only problem is if they are well versed in Chung then chances are they may be able to block or counter your kick, Having your standing knee snapped would really suck, but on the same side if you have trainned well then it just depends. When you chain punch you donāt necesarily open your self up, you alternate left-right-left-right keeping your selfe covered up, also if you keep your elbows in then it will help to cover you also with out loosing any power.
Now of course anytime you attack someone you open yourself up to some degree so there are weaknesses with any attack, but try doing correct chain punches and then throwing a cross and see what leaves you open more.
Donāt get me wrong I train in boxing also and I find it extremely useful it has many good attacks and foot work. A full blast rareing back John Wayne style punch will rock you hard but by the time the person goes back and punches he will have a face full of fists.