A word to the WCK family

Wai Jia: The Kung Fu Forum Wing Chun
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[QUOTE=hunt1;1016535]Hendrik In your stance do you sink to the dan tein or do you sink to earth?[/QUOTE]

all needs to know about dan tien is here, take it extremely serious because lots of people mis understood, and doing mis practice on dan tien stuffs. that cause problem.

and I post it a while ago.

http://kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=997258&postcount=160

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKASkDfmV9g&feature=related

also, to be real real honest, the sink to earth concept is just a very superficial concept for begineer. dont ever expect this concept can carry one more then junior level.

Examine it, who in this world has training the " sink to the earth concept " and capable to Fa jin/ issue force or Hua Jin/ dissove force?

in general such sinking concept might be able to do some static gimmic but can do anything in dynamic situation.

Real life is about Balancing in a dynamic state, it is not about sinking because sinking is just one out of six vector force components in a 3D space.

IMHO,
The Yik Kam’s SLT technology is a mind, body, force vectors dynamic flow balancing practice. when one is in a balance state one is actually feeling like “levitate” or effortless. that is the pre-requisite for flow. Comes accept goes return right?

it is certainly certainly NOT the upper body looks soft and the bottom is rigid and sinking to ground. That is actually DEAD and stuck.

Using the surfing as an analogy, if one can surf one could surf with big wave, otherwise one got sweep away. and a rigid and sinking to ground is hopeless facing a big wave. eventhough it might looks good while practicing in a bar tub and taking picture.

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Hendrik perhaps we are not talking about the same thing. Yes it may be beginner level but with out the proper basics nothing else will ever work correctly. This leads to so many different methods trying to mimic or get close to what they have heard or seen as correct but never able to duplicate it. If you can’t stand you can’t fight ,train proper energy , learn the horizontal or vertical circles use spirals etc.

You have been talking about the engine for power generation. How one stands will determine what one can use and what one will use. So to talk the engine that powers the system one must start at the basic stance and that stance will then present its own set of possible methods of power generation.

I am not a TCM expert and I never spent much time on traditional terms so this is how I answer the question I asked you in very basic manner. Sinking to the dan tein results in legs that are tight,firm in some cases tense. Sinking to earth the legs and supple and loose . You need supple loose legs to react in a dynamic fashion. Sink to earth does not = grounding or rooting. Sink to earth results in being able to surf. Not rigid at all sink to dan tein results in rigid locked body type of structure. Most WC I have observed is using a form of sink to dan tein.

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[QUOTE=hunt1;1016546]Hendrik perhaps we are not talking about the same thing.

Yes it may be beginner level but with out the proper basics nothing else will ever work correctly.

This leads to so many different methods trying to mimic or get close to what they have heard or seen as correct but never able to duplicate it. If you can’t stand you can’t fight ,train proper energy , learn the horizontal or vertical circles use spirals etc.

You have been talking about the engine for power generation. How one stands will determine what one can use and what one will use. So to talk the engine that powers the system one must start at the basic stance and that stance will then present its own set of possible methods of power generation.

I am not a TCM expert so this is how I answer the question i asked you.[/QUOTE]

IMHO,

You see, one doesnt have to be a TCM expert.

Read my post carefully outside your thinking box. then you will see the rainbow I show you.

looking at the

Aircraft Dynamics, Abbreviated, Part 2, Calculating Forces and Torques of the following site
http://www.berkeleyscience.com/airplane.htm

one can see, “sink” itself is not edequate to describe or model a reality in the 3D space. even when one stand statically, not to mention when one got to move and everything move dynamically. “sinking” is simply in adequate because there are others force vectors needs to be balance.

analogy to the simplified air plane picture above, one needs to deal with the drag, trust, and lift be it when one is standing. So, the six directional force vectors and all the posts and the youtube I post up there is to address the basic of those stuffs. nothing so mysterious or difficult.

One cannot and must not throw out the other components and only talk about sinking. That is because sinking or downward direction force vector is just a piece of the story, there are 5 others pieces needs to be handle and balance.

Certainly, I can give you a B$ answer as ya, sink to Dan Die, sink to K1… but those are B$ which is misleading. I choose not to go that way because I want to be honest with you.

The bottom line is, one needs to handle the six directional forces to be in a balance be it in static or dynamic state. and the general so called Sinking/rooting concept doesnt work to model the reality and create problem. so, dont go that way.

In WCK, in SLT we are suppose to master the small details. So as soon as we can handle the six directional force vectors, it doesnt matter what is other’s baijong or kiu sau or posture or sinking… Peng jing…etc all could be anylize with the six directional force vectors and handle them.

So, just learn the six directional force vectors, and master it and use the tools to solve any in coming issues. keep it simple. that is how to get to advance Kung fu. knowing the keys and master the keys.

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1016540] Real life is about Balancing in a dynamic state, it is not about sinking because sinking is just one out of six vector force components in a 3D space. [/QUOTE]

Hendrik,
I couldn’t have said it any better.
The feeling is very similar to that of one being submerged in water:)

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[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1016559]Hendrik,
I couldn’t have said it any better.
The feeling is very similar to that of one being submerged in water:)[/QUOTE]

Sure, but I am here preaching for almost a decade and have big time difficulties to get people to see very simple things.

always people will tell me, oh I have it too. oh my baijong is what you talking about…etc

all crazy stuffs and infact from their post one knows they dont even come close to know what I am talking about.

So, if you listen to me, give up those sinking, grounding, … concept. go six directional force, thinking you are surfing. So you cant “sink”; no way, the wave wont let you and also you dont want to drown, but you want to track the wave so that you have a dynamic balance of lift and sink, and make use of the wave’s motion as needed via controlling your lift/sink/drag/trust…anything you want to call it,
so use the six directional force vectors balancing to balance yourself and move forward.

Nothing fix, for there is no such thing as the same Wave you could ride twice. That is comes accept, goes return… not block because there is no break in surfing.

stop those non sense sitting there in YJKYM and thinking the world is under your belt as soon as you sink and press forward, ya, until some one hug your waist and you got take down. then where is your press forward and sink ?

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Hendrik we seem to be talking past each other not to each other. You did not start you first day of wing chun with an understanding or an ability to use 6 force vectors. I highly doubt your Sifu said " Here Hendrik this is how to use and apply 6 force vectors" on day One. He did however very early in your training show you a basic stance ,how to get into this stance and gave some basic explanation of why this stance instead of your karate stance.

The use of force vectors is advanced and complicated and many high quality athletes do such things naturally with out even understanding what they are doing. Also there are many ways to skin a cat. There is art and there is practical. However all of it starts with a basic stance and a basic understanding of the use of the body, biomechanics for the more advanced.

Be it golf or baseball or boxing or football or weightlifting or wing chun there is a basic stance and that is always the starting point for the advanced methods to come.

You said that the folks in the vids did not represent your way of power generation or force handling. There fore the question how do you stand?

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[QUOTE=hunt1;1016565]You did not start you first day of wing chun with an understanding or an ability to use 6 force vectors.

I highly doubt your Sifu said " Here Hendrik this is how to use and apply 6 force vectors" on day One.

He did however very early in your training show you a basic stance ,how to get into this stance and gave some basic explanation of why this stance instead of your karate stance.

[/QUOTE]

You are right.

However,

How do you think I was train the first night when I become In Door student and how much is my progress that same night? just one night?

That is when I realize why do we need to waste so much time for nonsense?
Sure, the nonsense is needed because one needs to make sure the student behave properly before one give them the real thing.

and I did it here because I love WCK and I would like to give you the best and just hope that I can trust you guys to NOT use it to hurt others and for macho reason.

Why do I want to waste your time and life?

You said that the folks in the vids did not represent your way of power generation or force handling. There fore the question how do you stand?

and I reply you all in my previous post and in the youtube, I dont stand, I “levitate”

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However,

How do you think I was train the first night when I become In Door student and how much is my progress that same night? just one night?

That is when I realize why do we need to waste so much time for nonsense?
Sure, the nonsense is needed because one needs to make sure the student behave properly before one give them the real thing.

That speaks volumes.

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Good now we are getting somewhere.

Your first day as In Door student may have started with something like , Now I so you the good stuff, the longest journey begins with the first step and then your Sifu probably started explaining and correcting your stance and body usage. You did not levitate on day one. In fact I think it took you decades to " levitate in a useful fashion. If you could have done so a decade ago your meeting with Andreas would have been different would it not?

So neither Sifu in the videos levitate and this is clear. The question still remains what are the first second and third steps to learn to “levitate” stance is shoulder width that goes without saying the knees sink forward? Knees just soft? Knees locked ? knees straight without give or bend?

There is an order to things? What is your order? We see the other sifu’s order.

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[QUOTE=hunt1;1016565]
The use of force vectors is advanced and complicated and many high quality athletes do such things naturally with out even understanding what they are doing. Also there are many ways to skin a cat. There is art and there is practical. However all of it starts with a basic stance and a basic understanding of the use of the body, biomechanics for the more advanced.
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Now you’re talking crazy! :wink: :smiley:

But you know don’t you, that you have to be an in-door student to learn that we live in 3-d space, and there exists combined height, width, and depth elements to the understanding of redirecting energy.

How much does one have to pay for THESE ancient Chinese secrets?? :stuck_out_tongue:

Must be lot’s because from what I’ve seen in most vids… 2-d Huen Sau’s are on sale!

Actually, I understand Hendrik being bitter about his Sihings doing his forms with Hung Gar energy.

But like you say… there are many different ways to skin a cat. And there is MUCH more knowledge to Bai Jong and Kiu Sau, than what was presented in those vids of his..

But then again, maybe his Sihing didn’t pay as much as Hendrick did, for the REAL stuff.

Heck… Maybe Yik Kam taught all his students White Crane just to throw them off from the real deal Wing Chun! :eek: :wink:

Just saying… Haha..

Sorry, but you got to laugh at this $hit once in awhile.

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Your first day as In Door student may have started with something like , Now I so you the good stuff, the longest journey begins with the first step and then your Sifu probably started explaining and correcting your stance and body usage.

You did not levitate on day one.

In fact I think it took you decades to " levitate in a useful fashion.

Your speculation is certainly possible for some one else. However, that is not my experience.

Similar to those who learn how to swim instead of standing in the pool.
They are clumpsy the first day however they are swimming.
They swim better and better as training accumulate.

As for those who standing there in the pool might or might not swim, and chances are they will not be able to swim. Because they are standing.

You might surprise the different.

If you could have done so a decade ago your meeting with Andreas would have been different would it not?

it is in appropriate to bring Andreas up while we are having a technical discussion; I hope you understand that.

What happen between Andreas and me is none of anyone’s business.

But since you bring it up, I put it straight here once for all on record.

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I am Chinese Martial artists and the moduk my late sifu taught me is:

Yee Hei means do anything so that your friend is in a good position of encouragement while he is teaching.

It is about supporting a friend’s seminal with fun and laughter. it is nothing to do with win or lost. there is no point to compete with friend.

any serious response in action while your friend is teaching a school or seminal in his terretory is consider a challenge.

and that will have to settle with formal kong sau. All friend will avoid to get into those type of trouble at all cost.

Since you brought this up, I am more then welcome for you to:

1, Ask Robert who is there and witness the whole thing, see if I put up any defense?
2, Ask Andreas himself directly why does he said " Hendrik why do you open yourself up? "

Go check it out and get it straight.

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After that seminal, a certain group due to their own agenda starts to use ANY information to stir things up with Andreas, Robert, and me.

and, there is an article Written about How Robert propose to not listen and dont respect the older generation.

In fact, before Andreas left after the seminal; Andreas, Robert, and myself were in airport of LA, it is Andreas who brought up the subject of older generation issue, Robert is just listening.

Robert at that time ask me what is this B$ article about, I told him, make believe you are Wong Fei-Hung, will you response to this type of nonsense accusation? It doesnt matter, that got nothing to do with you isnt it.

For those who mis-understood Robert due to that article, this is the time to clear Robert up. It got nothing to do with Robert, it is a make up with an agenda.

3, finally, to answer your question on “would have been different would it not?”

It doesnt matter if it is Robert , Andreas, or any of my other martial art friends; disregards of what is the capability or level of my kung fu,
the out come will have no different – I support my friend in public. Be it I am playing a clown.

I was taught kung fu is not for showing off in the friend’s expense. kung fu is also not for ego boosting. and there is no incentive to show off one’s kungfu unless one want to use it

Saying the above, you might not living with the same value or code I have, that is fine with me.

We need to get back to technical topic instead of this side track.

The question still remains what are the first second and third steps to learn to “levitate”

stance is shoulder width that goes without saying
the knees sink forward? Knees just soft? Knees locked ? knees straight without give or bend?

Your thinking pattern lead you to these questions. and that is perfectly normal. because you are in a different paradigm.

There are examples and details orientated type of teaching;
and there are principle or Sum Fatt (heart method) orientated teaching.

those who understand the six directional force vectors will not has to ask these question of knees…etc. because they dont think like you do, They are principle orientated based.
And thus they dont train like you either.

There is an order to things? What is your order? We see the other sifu’s order.

EVeryone choose their own path. if you like this way, go a head.

My path is Zen, and NOw is not present, future, or past. Time is non linear. Flow never show up twice.

I expect no one to take what I share with blind faith. and also time will tell if what I share is in fact proper.

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Hendrik while I understand your points I am merely trying to get to a level of explanation where everyone can understand what you are saying. You share a great quantity of information but it is not always understood. There are both cultural and language differences that come into play. You share but if it is not understood is it actually sharing?

I can not see you or touch you the only communication is this inexact method.

As you know Math is universal all those with the same general education level can understand no matter the language. Bio Mechanics is the same, unless you and I are different species , the body can only move is X number of ways and that number is the same for everyone no matter what they are named or how they are described.

No matter how you think you handle force vectors or levitate others do exactly the same thing even if they call it or describe it in a different fashion because there are only a finite number of ways to do it.

There is art and there is practical you know the difference. To handle force involves the use of knees as well as spine chest pelvis elbows etc depending upon the direction of the force being applied and the direction of the force being issued. While relaxation and intent are core all the intent and relaxation and spiral force wont accomplish a thing if your knees are locked or your stance is to wide. You can not adopt to incoming force with a stiff spine of if you are unable to use your chest or if your shoulder becomes disconnected from you core.

As far as what you have done in the past. Force can be handled in a controlled way without causing loss of face if you have the ability to do it. Being able to teach something and being able to perform something are not the same thing. Many can do one and not the other.

Again I am asking you to explain the most basic starting point in a manner that can be clearly understood by all. If you wish to share but not explain that is your right and I have no problem with it but then what is the point of your sharing?

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1,

To handle force involves the use of knees as well as spine chest pelvis elbows etc depending upon the direction of the force being applied and the direction of the force being issued.

While relaxation and intent are core , all the intent and relaxation and spiral force wont accomplish a thing if your knees are locked or your stance is to wide.

You can not adopt to incoming force with a stiff spine of if you are unable to use your chest or if your shoulder becomes disconnected from you core.

Great.

and share with us how a Sinking which you emphasis can do all of the above.

and how does the mind pay attention to all these stuffs? does the mind even know ?

2,

Force can be handled in a controlled way without causing loss of face if you have the ability to do it.

I am a simple person. my way is simply. There is no issue in lost face when it is friends having fun. if one want to support a friend then do it with single heart.

As for those controlled and …etc. how many level advance /higher in one’s kung fu compare with the opponent does one needs to have to control on others without accident and causing any one to lost face or …ect?

IMHO,
It is not a martial art movies, and I am not Yik Kam or WXZ or super master. I know what I am doing and good at what I am doing but I am no god and neither invincible that is a reality.

3,

Since you said

As you know Math is universal all those with the same general education level can understand no matter the language. Bio Mechanics is the same, unless you and I are different species , the body can only move is X number of ways and that number is the same for everyone no matter what they are named or how they are described.

using the simple 3 D physics in my previous post on the airplane example.

I have showed that the so called “sinking” is in adequate to model or handle a real life dynamics,

since in real life dynamic, one needs to handle much more then a single sinking or downward force vectors.

why dont you present to us here how can your “sinking” handle and cover the real life dynamic which required more then one single force vector. and what do you mean by

No matter how you think you handle force vectors or levitate others do exactly the same thing even if they call it or describe it in a different fashion because there are only a finite number of ways to do it.

How can others do exactly the same thing?

let’s start from basic simple physics and biomechanics. how is the sinking suppose to cover all the other force vectors components? I am very interested to know what is the exactly the same thing?

BTW: what is "levitate " means? Why I coin the term as “levitate”? without knowing that how can you do exactly the same thing? and also what is handling force vectors, how to handle force vectors, please share with us what do these means?

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wow you didn’t stop it as you didn’t want him to look bad. seriously, that was the same reason gracie let sukuraba break his arm, he didn’t want to make him look bad. If he was your friend he wouldn’t want you to let him hurt you or make fun of you. but yeh great reason man:eek:

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[QUOTE=bennyvt;1016628] If he was your friend he wouldn’t want you to let him hurt you,
or make fun of you. [/QUOTE]

according to your logic, your intention is questionable isnt it?

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Speaking of the idea of

As far as what you have done in the past. Force can be handled in a controlled way without causing loss of face if you have the ability to do it.

For some one might be real but not in my experience.

Let me share with you all a real situation I get in.

I was sixteen, consider a smart ass renegate in my Kyokushin Kai club in Penang in the late 70’s. My instructor is late Joe Chin Tut Chin, who is a 4 degree black belt, a fighter often go training in Japan with Mas Oyama…etc. he is at his peak.

Joe taught me for five years all over my six years high school. So, yes I practice both art, Kyokushin and Wing Chun in the same time. in fact, I love the Kyokushin sparing session because I love sparring and I have lots of tools others doesnt know to test.

So, I was just have my brown belt promotion, I remember that night I am sparring with Joe, he tries to control and subdue me gently because he has confident …etc. most student would have fear of him and they freeze themselve because his power and speed.

So guess what?

I know I cant fight his power, so, I purposely withdraw my guard, looks chicken out, turn and step one step walk away, that is a set up for him to follow me in. He misjudge and come in close as I have plan; right there I return back slam him with an elbow similar to one in siafa kata, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBSOGmIRoBs
he dodges the elbow, and my back first from that elbow strike slam right into his chest solid.

At that instant, the whole dojo is as quiet as totally dead. Man, a junior brown belt land a solid punch in the top instructor’s chest.

Joe got really really ****ed and I know it but the sparing cannot stop there. I know he will go for blood if I did one step wrong from there, So I purposely throw a middle punch and he block it and I take myself down to ground, Joe follow up with a loud KI with a down ward middle punch stop about three inch before me.

So, how many level advance is Joe who has a 4 degree black belt, a participant of Kyokushin Kai world tournament, often go to japan for a few months of training with the big boys including Mas Oyama himself compare with me a kid he taught for 4 years at that time? and look at it still it is very difficult for him to control me and end up he lost face big time.

And also, can I claim I am better then Joe because I spam him solid in the chest? in a point system I would have gain a solid big point. But in the Kyokushin way that doesnt mean anything even that happen in a formal sparing.

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Speaking of the idea of

As far as what you have done in the past. Force can be handled in a controlled way without causing loss of face if you have the ability to do it.

That is almost a fantasy for me real life. For some one might be real but not in my experience.

Let me share with you all a real situation I get in. Which influence there on on how I handle situation including the one above.

I was sixteen, consider a smart ass renegate in my Kyokushin Kai club in Penang in the 70’s. My instructor is late Joe Chin Tut Chin, who is a 4 degree black belt, a fighter often go training in Japan with Mas Oyama…etc. he is at his peak.

Joe taught me for five years all over my six years high school. So, yes I practice both art, Kyokushin and Wing Chun in the same time. in fact, I love the Kyokushin sparing session because I love sparring and I have lots of tools others doesnt know to test.

So, I was just have my brown belt promotion, I remember that night I am sparring with Joe, he tries to control and subdue me gentlely because he has confident …etc.

So guess what? I purposely withdraw my guard, turn and walk away, for him to follow me in, He was over confident and or misjudge and come in as I plan, right there I return back slam him with an elbow similar to one in siafa kata, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBSOGmIRoBs
he dodges, and my back first from that elbow strike slam right into his chest.

At that instant, the whole dojo is as quiet as totally dead. Man, a junior brown belt land a solid punch in the top instructor’s chest.

Joe got really really ****ed and I know it but the sparing cannot stop there. I know he will go for blood if I did one step wrong from there, So I purposely throw a middle punch and he block it and I take myself down to ground, Joe follow up with a loud KI with a down ward middle punch stop about three inch before me.

So, ask, how many level advance is Joe who has a 4 degree black belt, a participant of Kyokushin Kai world tournament, often go to japan for a few months of training with the big boys including Mas Oyama himself?

and I am just a kid he taught for 4 years at that time.

Force can be handled in a controlled way without causing loss of face? according to my Kyokushin experience it doesnt exist. so dont be naive.

and I learn that night if It is better to take the fighter or KO him asap if one goes for real then doing all sort of stunt. if one is not willing to do that, then just claim lost and walk away clean, nothing damage anyway. who cares about face?
otherwise the casualty can be huge because exchanging strike is the most stupid things in the the world even one win one never get out clean.

In additional to the above experience, at that time every week day night we have sparring, not one really care for win or lost, it is already num if one get a kick or punch or take down. and ofcause I test the bong sau…etc. But know what? one can fool others with some technics one or twice but others is going to find out, and that technics become a gimmic which is not usefull at all.

also, just forget about those sinking or rooting, in fact, I have a kyokusin senior who practice Chinese kung fu and claim to be one of the strongest rooting person who I slam his left tigh with low round horse kick that end up limping and cant kneeling for two weeks.

So, you know, get real, no pull back is not something for fun and no one is GOD. Sure one can be better then some, however, Who is GOD?

I was lucky to learn from Joe and Cho Hong-Choy two of the best Penang fighters. and also lucky to see what is the reality in a young age it is not a movie man.

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[QUOTE=bennyvt;1016628]wow you didn’t stop it as you didn’t want him to look bad. seriously, that was the same reason gracie let sukuraba break his arm, he didn’t want to make him look bad.

If he was your friend he wouldn’t want you to let him hurt you or make fun of you.

but yeh great reason man:eek:[/QUOTE]

up to you to believe whatever you like. That is your free will.

I am totally ok with it.

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WCK as a summary.

1, WCK is simply a style which implement the philosophy of

Comes accept, goes return, release thus forward.

2, in order to implement the Comes accept Goes return, two technology core are needed and thus these two technology are embeded in SLT/SNT which is the core example of WCK.

The two core technology are :

1, the Center balancing of the Fujian White Crane and

2, the Snake continuity dynamic structure which make it possible for smooth transition and adaptive changes with that “romance, sticky..” action taste, supporting the implement of a continous Comes accept Goes return…etc.

This often is called the soft side or female side of the art.

3, Due to the snake continous dynamic structure, this is no longer the Sink or root or kiu sau or baijong or using hip of other Nam Kuen structure.

This is a multiple dimensional agile dynamic structure. it is far beyond the alignment of the spine, knee…etc.

thus six directional force vectors model is needed to explain the implementation this type of dynamic system clearly in details. Where traditional generalization sinking and rooting and alignment is in adequate to describe the system dynamic phenomenon in details.

However, It is a different paradigm which most have never aware of and thus has a difficult time to understand what it is.

the sink or root … will not get one to this paradigm, since Sink or root in general is limited to the awareness of one or two force vectors and at most three; with single direction projection without dynamic close loop balancing, and thus again it is inadequate to model and describe the dynamic system.

4, In action, WCK doesnt rely on mind to process the structure alignment because mind processing is non real time , unstable, and also what is align at the static via mind usually will not be use-able in dynamic action.

Instead, WCK by passed the mind and using feeling for alignment and close loop while in execution, again, once one knows the feeling of a balance six directional force vectors in dynamic. Once mind doesnt need to know what to control.

5, WCK short Jin is just a power generation which rely on acceleration and sharp friction syncronization. using the six directional force vectors handling to create two acceleration via muscular shrinking, body weight, and a friction to further accelerate to issue/ propel the force vectors with a circular manner toward the target.

This type of mechanics are not possible to be describe with sinking, rooting, or alignement which is static in nature, not to mention the complex direction-ing of dynamic the acceleration and balance propelling.

Why balance propelling? balance propelling means once the force propel, the whole system must still in a balance dynamic. This is also what in general called Boomerang retrograde or WCK cut both side similar to a sickle in forward and backward direction. Without the balance propelling the whole system will not be stable and uncontroll able at impact or missing target.

6, In order to implement a process for reliable execution, key details of the dynamic system must be quantify. the six directional force vectors model is adequate to describe the dynamic system.

In a reliable repeatable process design point of view, six directional force vectors handling is un avoidable if a reliable repeatable process is desire for WCK to describe its come accept goes return release thus forward.

That is the part of evolution, where the modern six directional force vectors term is needed to model and communicate the concept and process and produce repeatable result in training.

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more info

on Cho family and Yik Kam lineage for those who is interested.

http://kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1016817&postcount=2