Forever young -
Please dont make blanket statements about WCK. I understand you were defending yourself -You were put on the defensive when you did nothing wrong. I understand you shared some nice training, and others reacted improperly to you.
Let me say, I appreciate all your hard work and training.
But saying “WCK doesnt have ground work” or when others state, “WCK doesnt have CHin Na”, and “WCK doesnt have takedowns”- is wrong!Plain and simple. The proper statement would be 'My WCK doesnt have groundwork, takedowns, Chin Na ect." OR "the WCK I have seen and experianced doesnt contain these components. Or even “Most modern WCK doesnt include…”
The WCK I practise from the Mainland (YKS WCK) is a Ging based - conceptual and principle based art. It can and should be used for striking, kicking, locking and breaking, takedowns, sweeps ect. Everything within the system is WCK. There is no importing of outside material, which is obvious when one sees it demonstrated,as all hands used to do Chin na or whatever are the same hands used for everything else.
WCK forms teach one how to express a unique form of mechanical force IE Inch Ging. It can be applied any way ones imagination can with the concepts, AS LONG as you stay within the Principles, which are what define the context that is WCK.
Now I understand most wont believe what I have posted as many wouldnt want to believe that there are branchs of WCK which actualy do cover all ranges, with just WCK. But its fact. I train all ranges, including on my back, and use my WCK Ging, concepts, principles, and applications, with NO cross training in anything. Since the time JKD hit big pre MMA, I took advantage of training partners that understood wrestling, Kicking, boxing, leg locks, ect and forced my self to find the WCK answer.
Now lets be clear, I have to train with guys that are good on the ground, but I dont train their methods to respond with. I use WCK, and even if it takes me months to figure out how to counter something, I wont let my ego get in the way - I wont cheat by looking up for the MMA answer. Also most WCKers train against WCK. What sence does that make? I train agaisnt all other methods of attack!!
To clairify a few things. My WCK is typicaly a stand up fighting and grappling art, that uses striking, kicking, locking and breaking, take downs, and sweeps. It is a specialized form of standing grappling while striking.
We dont use any strength against strength. So typicaly we dont use much strangulation as that requires alot of strength - though if our opponent was beatup and tired and we could throw it on without a strength battle we would.
Our takedowns would never look like a wrestlers. We would never go for the legs like that with are arms . But as a standup grappling art, we have whole body chi sau, and use that skill to neutralize and strike, and than take down while breaking. The Take downs are frequently followed up by use of the “Gwa Mah” - which is a modified Pian San Mah, that drops one knee to the ground typicaly used to crush the opponents ribs or chest as one drops down.
We would never try to get into guard position. Once we takedown and break, we would continue with a WCK ground and pound, using the same principles used in standing. We use every single part of our body to strike, including headbuts, shoulder strikes, while in contact with the opponent either standing or on the ground. The clinch, is WCK territory, as that is standup grappling
Now to touch upon the area where WCK has a weakness. Wrestler Take downs, or worse the opponent has side control. And to a lesser degree the Guard position.These are the areas im currently working in and are the weakest link in the WCK bag of tricks, as most dont train it.
Take down defence is important to ANY standup fighter. Currently im attempting to find a WCK answer to the sprawl but its a work in progress. I activly use a method of moving off line of the takedown, while striking as i evade. The angle is tuff though to get a good strike and have had to modify some WCK strikes to be able to answer the question, which would be illegal in MMA though for somereason Chuck Liddel still gets power in those odd angles but he is a freak of nature!! ::))
WCK doesnt have “the guard” built into the system, in my understanding, as in “a position we attempt to get into” , like BJJ guys do. But if we are put on our back, we have to train to be able to fight in that position. All the same referance points exists and everything is the same. Use of the hips, and listening with the body are of paramount importance. Constantly moving the hips and bucking are translation of use of the hips and pelivis to power certain motions. Since my WCK has Locks and breaks, when im forced on my back, i have locks and breaks IE submissions used for breaking.Everything is the same, in terms of the wide range of things I can do. I even use my Chi Gerk training , to create a better position than the typical open BJJ guard. I use a Lan Gerk, to create something similar to what is called the " rubber guard", which i independently created out of logic and the need to be constricting my opponents move like a Snake so they cant posture up. Hence my WCK is snake and crane boxing. Use of the whole body like a snake is paramount, and suffocating the opponents movements.
How to defend agaisnt side control isnt something I can do yet very well, so wont comment, as I simply use bucking and it may or may not work!!
So i hope you see my point.
B
but to be honest when doing no gi i try not to use any handles, funnily enough we were doing a few guard passes last week that used the trousers 
what people are they then? realistic ones ? and im not dragging names into anything merely pointing out common knowledge, its not like im putting words into anyones mouth. and as for gary lam specifically i have the utmost respect for what i see when he moves/performs and for the fact he HAS ‘been there done that’ (certainly with respect to actual combat)