[QUOTE=Lokhopkuen;1017851]30 years ago in our gung fu school we practiced drills, ran forms, sparred no pads, wrestled on concret and asphalt, busted lips, sprained joints boiled jow. 20 years ago in our gung fu school we practiced drills, ran forms, sparred no pads, wrestled on concret and asphalt, busted lips, sprained joints boiled jow. 10 years ago in our gung fu school we practiced drills, ran forms, sparred no pads, wrestled on concret and asphalt, busted lips, sprained joints boiled jow. All this week in our gung fu school we practiced drills, ran forms, sparred no pads, wrestled on concret and asphalt, busted lips, sprained joints boiled jow.
I’m sorry, you were saying?
LMAO![/QUOTE]
Sorry dude, that’s not kung fu training. Where was the broken glass and needles? Were you wrestling with those in the vacinity? and where are the other 5 dudes waiting to kick your head in with their steel toe shoes?
Come back again when your training embodies real life situations.
Which one do you think is preparing actual fighters?[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes: So you mean to tell me that a guy who larped through WC training for years because of fear of getting hit is now hardcore because he started taking a grappling art that encourages better training?
avoiding being hit or thrown and hit and throw the opponent.
that is the general idea of a fight.
learn to take punches and kicks and land safely after being thrown
they are part of the deal.
some may never enter a full contact comp
but all can have fun.[/QUOTE]
My comments have nothing to do with the goal of fighting. My comments have to do with running scared from solid fundamental training to avoid having one’s head knocked which is an inevitability of training striking properly.
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;1018297]:rolleyes: So you mean to tell me that a guy who larped through WC training for years because of fear of getting hit is now hardcore because he started taking a grappling art that encourages better training?[/QUOTE]
Yep. As long as he or she trains with intensity and takes it seriously.
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;1017967]I would disagree. That is the lure of BJJ. People don’t mind the cardio aspects of it and tussling around. What people don’t like is getting hit. There are tons of people who spend years LARPing in whatever martial art you can think of who are all of a sudden born again hardcore as soon as they found a martial art that they could avoid being hit in.[/QUOTE]
My guess is that they are responding “hard core” because they found an art that delivers on it’s promise - which is finding an art where they could avoid being hit.
Isn’t that the goal of all martial arts? Anyway- when they find that they can minimize the opportunity to be struck and be able to respond with a proven methodology that doesn’t require faith in something abstract or untestable… yes- they tend to get very enthusiastic. They scream “holy $pit, an art that actually friggin works”.
[QUOTE=MightyB;1018335]My guess is that they are responding “hard core” because they found an art that delivers on it’s promise - which is finding an art where they could avoid being hit.
Isn’t that the goal of all martial arts? Anyway- when they find that they can minimize the opportunity to be struck and be able to respond with a proven methodology that doesn’t require faith in something abstract or untestable… yes- they tend to get very enthusiastic. They scream “holy $pit, an art that actually friggin works”.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much all arts work. The problem with striking arts is that they require courage to truly master. Yip man derived WC and other similar arts have been set up to allow people without courage to receive rank. Since blows to the head are kept to a minimum in grappling, the courage factor is removed. Guys can become good grapplers, but if they don’t have the courage to train the strikes, good grapplers is the best that they can become. Good grappling is a key component of good fighting, but there is not a 1:1 correlation between good grappling and good fighting.
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;1018352]The problem with striking arts is that they require courage to truly master.[/QUOTE]
Back when I was only doing kung fu, I used to describe it (courage to take a hit) to noobs by making the comparison to walking out into big waves. If you’re timid about it and lean back from the waves- they’ll knock you on your arse, but- if you’re brave and stand firm- you’ll smash right through. You have to have the guts to push through. 1 out of 50 would get it.
