What Mantis108 said.
I don’t know much about confuscism. Can you point out the ideology within these notes and explain it for me?
Ah, yes… another one of the reasons as to why so many CMA guys can’t fight.
I hate to say it, but you are right. Well, it’s not so much that, but the lack of practicing actual fighting. It’s not the practice of forms, or stances, or even study of the texts that are the problem, it’s the Lack of full contact fighting.
I swear I saw a sign with those rules of who to teach to on a wall in Pingyao. They are basically standard Confucianism.
As for the rest it looked like plain vanilla taiji text material pretty much verbatim.
DJ is saying there is nothing new or special in what this poster has provided. And I am sorry to say that it appears to be true so far.
Yea I guess you are right. How would you know how to fight someone if you dont have any physical contact? I mean you have to have someone to block and attack.
wonders why these people have a hard time with this being tai chi grand push hands has been called the long river for years??
Royal Dragon,
In the chart why is each character lined up with a different symbol? What do the center circles mean? Surely the teacher who gave you that is a master to have thought of something so detailed. I have never seen anything like that. It is very complex. I have been trying to figure it out. Maybe you can help me decipher it. Are those his signature seals at the bottom of the page. What do they say? What is his name?
Like I said above, I never deciphered the chart. From knowing the form itself, I can see it is recording each move of the set, and the stepping pattern it uses.
The circles can mean anything. Taiji is full of circles. I have charts showing the spiraling energy, as well as others showing the body mechanics as well. The art is not in the chart, it’s in the physical body.
Charts, and texts are there to aid self study for those who are well along thier journey. They are only there to record details, and provide insite to the reader.
If you want a detailed explanation, you would have to ask Chu, it’s a chart of his families Taiji Quan. He seems to have a genuine intrest in educateing.
Hello, Mr. Gian
Sorry for offend, but I Chu ca not be in conversation with you anymore because you too much controversy
With call yourself royal dragon and the emperor. This is reserve for only the emperor of China.and nor for regular people. Noone do not understand my notes but is the basic secret of all north south long quan (chuan)
Maybe my son yuk hing talk to you about this more than me. Sorry but I can nnot talk to you anymore at all
Chu
Saijen
hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. lol
ps. what emperor of China?
What system of conduct doesn’t do this?
If society didn’t have a system of conduct to control behavior we would not have a society at all! Humans together in groups ALWAYS create a controlling system of conduct. It is designed so that individuals may get along better to the benefit of everyone. Even those on the outside of a dominant system of conduct have their own control system of conduct for their sub-group!
Some basic universal rules of a controlling system within any group are:
- Do not harm anyone within the group.
- Do not do anything that will interfere with group cohesion.
- Conform to the group’s controlling system.
These rules cannot be avoided if an individual wishes to be a member of any group!
I respectfully disagree.
A social construct can be made without any heirarchy whatsoever.
It demands responsibility and accountability.
It demands that we learn generationally to do the virtuous things and to not seek to blame others where we have our shortfalls.
Our societies that we live in are alwasy seeking to blame, blame blame.
People even ponder who’s fault it is for weather conditions. Look at the Tsunami or even better New Orleans. These are unavoidable disasters.
Confucianism is antiquated and has some value to it, but there is a lot of sheer crap throughout it that doesn’t fit with moving men forward in thought. It is all about kowtowing, heirarchy and knowing your place. Practically speaking, it’s almost as bad as a caste system in many respects.
as soon as you look for a leader, you remove your own ability to lead your own life with much virtue.
Are we playing Forum Poker?
First and foremost, I think SimonM nailed it on the head although he didn’t quite called the bluff. 
Royal Dragon showed a pair of Ace and the Chu(s) folded their deck (with the classic move - I am not talking to ya!) immediately. :eek: Meanwhile, Scott and DJ are showing their possible flush and pairs and the battle continues…
Who takes the pot? Whose deck reigns superme?!
Stay tune for the battle royale of Forum Poker. 
Mantis108
will there be stripping involved?
cause i really don’t want to show and see anymore pee pees on this forum. lol
I am sorry Chu and Yuk Hing, for the other members of this forum’s disrespectful writing. From what I have seen on this site not many people take the art seriously. Send me a private message if you wish to communicate with someone serious, willing to learn and be humble to a master.
I think you’ve got the wrong forum. Try alt.leathersex/submissive
:rolleyes:
Hi David,
Can you name a successful sizable social structure that has accomplished this goal? If you can, which I doubt, can you demonstrate that its members conform to the social structure without any form of social coercion? This is doubtful as well. All social structures use some form of coercion to enforce compliance to the social structure! This coercion may be in the form of rewards, negative consequences or social conditioning which may be referred to as “education” by those who agree with the social structure or “brainwashing” by those who disagree!
You have a very idealistic view, but it is doomed to failure because it does not take into account human nature. . Humans by nature have differing personalities. Some are leaders, some are followers, some are sheep, some are wolves, some are shepherds, some are loners, some are peacemakers some are aggressive, etc.
Your view is no different than saying we could all get along if everyone would just agree with ME!! To get everyone to agree with ME I must use some form of coercion. Even a system of social rewards is a form of coercion. Once we use coercion to enforce/encourage conformity we are as bad, or worse than any other totalitarian method, whether governmentally forced or socially forced. It is just a more insidious form of totalitarianism. Groups ostracize those who refuse to comply. Once individuals do not have the freedom to non-comply with the group then your ideal falls apart.
Hi David again,
Behaviors/attitudes considered “virtues” are learned. They are learned from others whether we are conditioned by our parents, religion, teachers or reading the ideas of others. This eliminates our freedom to live a life of virtue by your standard because virtue then is determined/influenced by others and not ourselves. Humans cannot exist separate from social structures because we are born into them. These structures influence us from the beginning and affect the choices we make. When a social structure influences the available choices we have then we lose freedom.
None of us live our own lives according to whatever standards we choose because our choices are influenced by our conditioning. Once we are conditioned we no longer have complete freedom to choose freely.
BTW: I took a look at the phrase that “Chu” posted in his “I’m not talking to Royal Dragon because he thinks he is the emperor of China” post… My Chinese is far from pefect but I believe the second last character is “Peru”…
I’m bringing th Chinese text with me to lunch and I’ll get my Chinese friends who read much better than I to translate it.