yellow face/white washing.

Asian Pop is an S.F. Chronicle column by Jeff Yang. I’ve posted links to his stuff before.

‘Avatar’ an Asian thing- why isn’t the cast?
Jeff Yang
Thursday, January 29, 2009

When is an Asian cartoon not an Asian cartoon? The answer to this Zen dilemma is at the heart of the latest high-octane kerfuffle clogging the Intertubes - one that’s pulled into its vortex two of the most celebrated Asian American creators in comics: Gene Yang, National Book Award finalist for his graphic novel, “American Born Chinese,” and Derek Kirk Kim, whose work has won comics’ most prestigious laurels, the Xeric, Ignatz, Eisner and Harvey awards.

That’s because the two happen to be passionate devotees of Nickelodeon’s animated TV series “Avatar: The Last Airbender.” The show completed its third and final season last year only to have the cable network green-light a live-action, big-screen adaptation, which was greeted with both anticipation and anxiety by the show’s burgeoning fan base.

Last month, with the unveiling of the film’s principal cast, the fans’ worst fears were realized, prompting self-proclaimed “Avatards” - chief among them 'toon titans Yang and Kim - to launch a protest that’s generated torrents of both support and criticism.

The whole controversy might be trivial if it weren’t for the fact that “Avatar” is a genuine pop-culture sensation, acclaimed by critics, adored by fans and, yes, wildly profitable.

One reason Asian Americans such as Yang and Kim have been drawn into the show’s orbit is that it has hit it big despite - many would say because of - its richly Asian-inspired setting. The core ideas are drawn from Hindu, Taoist and Buddhist philosophy; its character names - Aang, Katara, Toph Bei Fong - incorporate Chinese, Japanese and Southeast Asian phonemes; and its visual identity is modeled on traditional Asian iconography.

So when the core cast of the “Avatar” movie was revealed, hard-core fans recoiled - not because the actors are mostly unknowns, drawn from open auditions across the country, but because, well, they’re white.

This is far from the first controversy regarding the casting of Asian roles with Caucasian actors. Last year saw an outcry over the “whitewashing” of “21,” the film about blackjack prodigies whose real-life counterparts were a group of Asian American MIT undergrads. But for fans of “Avatar,” this casting is an even greater affront, not least because the show’s primary target audience is 6- to 11-year-olds - kids who may not know the specifics of its references but are undoubtedly aware of and attracted to its cultural origins.

“These are kids growing up with manga,” Kim says. "They’re not only comfortable with Asian concepts, they’re fascinated by them. To think that they won’t come to a live-action version unless it’s cast with white actors - that’s really a shockingly ignorant viewpoint. These kids aren’t watching Jackie Chan movies and thinking, ‘Yikes! I wish he were a white guy!’ "

But here’s where the plot begins to snarl. “Avatar” isn’t meant to mirror existing Asian history, imagined future or mythological canon. It’s clearly set in an original fantasy world - invented by two white Americans, Bryan Konietzko and Mike DiMartino. Many of the voice actors for the original series are white as well. And though the actors selected for the big-screen version are white, the director who chose those actors is one of the few top-tier Asian American filmmakers in Hollywood, M. Night Shyamalan.

It’s an object lesson in how hard it is to maintain claims of authenticity and cultural ownership in a world where boundaries are rapidly beginning to blur. If it’s all right for white guys to come up with an “Asian” story and even voice it behind the scenes, why is it not all right for white guys (and girls) to portray that story onscreen?

But there’s more to the argument against the casting of “Avatar” than a claim to racial justification. In fact, it’s arguably a more powerful case than the one against “21.” The creators of the series have stated that the show was designed from the ground up as an elaborate homage to the culture, ideas and artists that they revered, an “epic, Asian, martial-arts fantasy/action/adventure/comedy/drama” celebrating the likes of anime legend Hayao Miyazaki.

The movie “21” was a reimagining of real life, not a documentary, and thus free to remake truth in the pursuit of what its producers thought was commercially viable. By contrast, the “Avatar” movie is being presented as a direct translation of its source material - which by definition demands adherence to the series’ internal, spiritual truth.

It’s hard to imagine the “Harry Potter” films working with characters that don’t visually fit the books’ British boarding school sensibility. “And I don’t think it would’ve been true to the spirit of ‘Lord of the Rings’ if the movie hobbits had Asian features, given the strongly Anglo-Saxon tradition of those books,” Yang notes.

In short, these casting decisions ring false to the show’s spirit; the very spirit that has transfixed millions of young fans and brought legions of Avatards together into a passionate community.

“What frustrates us most is that you had this amazing opportunity - you’ve got a nation of fans who love this quintessentially Asian story,” Kim says. “This could have broken down every barrier in the business, proving you can have an all-Asian cast and score three blockbuster successes. Instead, we just get three more chances to cringe.”

yellow face/white washing.

a friend of mine, made this video about the current trend of white washing thats been happening recently in hollywood. decided to post it here especially after its been announce that the character of the shredder from tmnt will be played by a white actor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IIP6YeTBh8

shredder wont be played by a japanese actor? thats bullsh!t

I like this guy’s vids. He speaks 100% truth, but is hilarious at the same time.

[QUOTE=doug maverick;1235825]a friend of mine, made this video about the current trend of white washing thats been happening recently in hollywood. decided to post it here especially after its been announce that the character of the shredder from tmnt will be played by a white actor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IIP6YeTBh8[/QUOTE]

Now Shredder, I’m shocked, after watching the cartoons as a kid. that’s little different from David Carradine in Kung Fu putting on a rubber hat. Has nothing changed? Well, now on TV black people can be partners to the white cop, and there can be a funny Asian guy who also works as a police officer but who is peripheral to the main story.

Great video, by the way. I love the yellow hulk going through all the stereotypes. Classic.

Well, I called it… that movie is going to be a total cluster eff.

Oroku Saki = white dude?

yep, makes sense.

We should also make sure that Splinter doesn’t have a Japanese accent either. Dun want to offend any nihonjin by making them think that we’re calling them rats… :frowning:

dont worry, when the minorities become the majority (and it wont be long) then you will see more non white lead roles. Its all about the $$$, its not personal.

[QUOTE=doug maverick;1235825]a friend of mine, made this video about the current trend of white washing thats been happening recently in hollywood. decided to post it here especially after its been announce that the character of the shredder from tmnt will be played by a white actor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IIP6YeTBh8[/QUOTE]

It has been happening since the birth of Hollywood so nothing new!
I am sure it ian’t personal but it beez like dat. It’s the money! :eek: It seems that the white guy playing the “minority” fellow always get higher rewards and benefits than the actually minority would have gotten if he acted the part.

If a real Asian was playing Charley Chan would he have been so magnificent!
If the character of Robert Downey playing the ‘black soldier’ in that movie (don’t recall the name’) would the movie have been so celebrated!

It’s just business!

[QUOTE=mawali;1237132]It has been happening since the birth of Hollywood so nothing new!
If a real Asian was playing Charley Chan would he have been so magnificent!
If the character of Robert Downey playing the ‘black soldier’ in that movie (don’t recall the name’) would the movie have been so celebrated!

It’s just business![/QUOTE]

The Robert Downey role of a few years ago isn’t even in the same category. A far more accurate comparison would be Al Jolson.

So are you saying that white actors are better at playing non-whites than non-whites can play themselves? Now is not the 1920s, 30s, 40s, etc. Our knowledge, awareness and views of other people are supposed to have evolved since then, but in many ways they haven’t come very far at all.

I am saying just the opposite. The white actor playing the minorities always seem to get the awards for the role they played and they are always lauded for their superb acting! As to why it is as it is, only the Academy Awards know and they eat it up!
I could not make this up if I tried:D

Kwai Chang Caine was the best Asian display that one could imagine, don’t ya think based on the magnanimous approval from all involved. Robert Downey was said to be playing in ‘blackface’ but what about Kwai Chang.. and Warner Oland? Just saying:cool:

[QUOTE=mawali;1237236]I am saying just the opposite. The white actor playing the minorities always seem to get the awards for the role they played and they are always lauded for their superb acting! As to why it is as it is, only the Academy Awards know and they eat it up!
I could not make this up if I tried:D

Kwai Chang Caine was the best Asian display that one could imagine, don’t ya think based on the magnanimous approval from all involved. Robert Downey was said to be playing in ‘blackface’ but what about Kwai Chang.. and Warner Oland? Just saying:cool:[/QUOTE]

You’re thinking of Tropic Thunder, and that movie was poking fun at the white washing going on in Hollywood. What better way to make fun of Hollywood’s racism than lampoon it by taking it further into the shady racist history than having a white actor play a white actor who is shamelessly doing a role in blackface?

[QUOTE=doug maverick;1235825]a friend of mine, made this video about the current trend of white washing thats been happening recently in hollywood. decided to post it here especially after its been announce that the character of the shredder from tmnt will be played by a white actor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IIP6YeTBh8[/QUOTE]

this was actually done right if u think about it, my chocolate brother.

-white guy is not in yellow face, even has blond hair, this is done on purpose

  • avoid Asian bad guy stereotype

if u wanna see some real fuked up sh1t, remember the last airbender?

Greetings,

Just don’t let things get to this point: (in 6 parts)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUDDPkcCfQE&list=PLXlOgNKmJdutDoDAJ5j9gB17lAqxTYSr9

mickey

hollywood whitewashing

Shaya brings out some good points. It is almost like film makers wind up stereotyping while not trying to stereotype. He also brings up the distinction between stereotype and archetype. Iron Man 3 was somewhat of a letdown when I saw that the Mandarin was a drunk out of work actor puffing on grass. I think the reason for this watering down of the Mandarin had to do with the market and not so much with ethnic stereotyping. If you read the Mandarin’s biography, the Red Army killed his parents and in his adulthood, the Mandarin had an ongoing feud with them. Had they portrayed Mandarin as the formidable
character he actually was, it would be difficult to find a Chinese market for the film. The result is they created a pablum cartoonish character stripped of archetype that would be easily digestible and accessible to everybody everywhere. Khan could be anybody but not so with the Mandarin. The Mandarin was Eurasian and Ben Kingsley fit the role well. They would not allow the Mandarin to be the Mandarin for financial reasons. Ben Kingsley did an excellent acting job in his dual role, regardless, so it is not his fault. He was just fulfilling the script.

This does not happen with Asians only. Directors and producers have openly said that Thomas Jane is “too white” and he loses a lot of roles because of it. Insofar as Shaya’s argument that Jason Momoa would have been excellent for the role of Khan, like I said, anybody could have done it and Cumberbatch did an excellent acting job. After all, Jason did play the role of a Cimmerian in Conan the Barbarian; a role made famous by Arnold Schwarzenegger.

So to some extent I understand what Shaya is trying to say, and yes, it could be done better, but to say miscasting is done for purely ethnic reasons is not accurate either. All the best.
SKM

We will know Hollywood racism is dead when they are willing to cast a REAL Cimmerian as Conan and a REAL Vulcan as Spock!

#HowIMetYourRacism

[URL=“http://www.cbs.com/shows/how_i_met_your_mother/video/LQNCvkLAn_LQxlwBFgT3Y38Y3mWDN7iQ/how-i-met-your-mother-slapsgiving-3-slappointment-in-slapmarra/”]How I Met Your Mother
Slapsgiving 3: Slappointment In Slapmarra

‘How I Met Your Mother’ Creators Respond to Kung Fu Controversy
4:11 PM PST 1/15/2014 by Michael O’Connell

Two days after an episode in which stars Josh Radnor, Cobie Smulders and Alyson Hannigan appeared in Asian garb and spoke in stereotypical accents, the showrunners take to Twitter to apologize.


“How I Met Your Mother”

How I Met Your Mother’s final season is not without its share of controversy. The CBS sitcom aired an episode on Monday night that depicted Jason Segel’s character, Marshall, traveling to China (and Cleveland) to meet with three characters out of a kung fu movie – who happened to be played by Caucasian co-stars Josh Radnor, Cobie Smulders and Alyson Hannigan.

The trio’s outfits, accents and makeup – the term “yellowface” has been used – prompted suggestions of racist overtones and drew the ire of many a viewer on Twitter. Co-creators Carter Bays and Craig Thomas responded on Wednesday afternoon, even adopting the controversy’s chosen hashtag: #HowIMetYourRacism.

“Hey guys, sorry this took so long. [Craig Thomas] and I want to say a few words about #HowIMetYourRacism,” Bays wrote from his account. “With Monday’s episode, we set out to make a silly and unabashedly immature homage to Kung Fu movies, a genre we’ve always loved. But along the way we offended people. We’re deeply sorry, and we’re grateful to everyone who spoke up to make us aware of it. We try to make a show that’s universal, that anyone can watch and enjoy. We fell short of that this week, and feel terrible about it. To everyone we offended, I hope we can regain your friendship, and end this series on a note of goodwill. Thanks.”

The episode, “Slapsgiving 3: Slappointment in Slapmarra,” brought the pseudo conclusion to the long-running gag of Marshall owing Barney (Neil Patrick Harris) five slaps to the face. With eight episodes remaining until the Mar. 31 series finale, one slap remains.

CBS is still streaming the episode on the show’s website.

I like Neil Patrick Harris but I’ve never been a fan of this show.

[QUOTE=GeneChing;1259914][URL=“http://www.cbs.com/shows/how_i_met_your_mother/video/LQNCvkLAn_LQxlwBFgT3Y38Y3mWDN7iQ/how-i-met-your-mother-slapsgiving-3-slappointment-in-slapmarra/”]How I Met Your Mother
Slapsgiving 3: Slappointment In Slapmarra

I like Neil Patrick Harris but I’ve never been a fan of this show.[/QUOTE]

That wasn’t QUITE a “sorry you were offended” apology. But it was a pretty much a “sorry, but aren’t we awesome” apology, which is nearly as bad.

I’ve never seen the show before. Watched the episode in question. Wasn’t entertained but apparently never found the “racist” part. I don’t get it.:confused:

Still not worse than the new lone ranger movie.

I mean, Geez hollywood, wtf is wrong with you?