Thought ill just throw this in the mix enjoy 
Impressive
Thanks for sharing!
[QUOTE=Jansingsang;1240877]Thought ill just throw this in the mix enjoy
He is a good guy.But blindfold chi sau is sort of passe(sp?)
I personally cannot see any point in this type of training. 
What is it trying to prove/develop?
For me its not good Ving Tsun.
[QUOTE=Graham H;1240930]I personally cannot see any point in this type of training.
What is it trying to prove/develop?
For me its not good Ving Tsun.[/QUOTE]
Not really a fan myself but his one of the Big boys excuse the pun:D And he wants to show off a bit What ? well :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Jansingsang;1240940]Not really a fan myself but his one of the Big boys excuse the pun:D And he wants to show off a bit What ? well :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I have met Cliff a few times. He is a great guy and good fun to socialize with but his VT is not for me.
[QUOTE=Graham H;1240941]I have met Cliff a few times. He is a great guy and good fun to socialize with but his VT is not for me.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough you know what pushes your buttons in VT All a matter of preference too each individual I thought ill throw it in as it can be a topic of discussion
Too be fair Sigung Wsl did do this drill what we must ask our self is whats the real significance of its use ? Is it about Sensitivity of the arms to redirect the force of energy? Or If you get poked in the eyes you can still F@#k them up just like in Warriors two 
Or is it just a Show off Drill 
[QUOTE=Jansingsang;1240944]
Too be fair Sigung Wsl did do this drill what we must ask our self is whats the real significance of its use ? Is it about Sensitivity of the arms to redirect the force of energy? Or If you get poked in the eyes you can still F@#k them up just like in Warriors two Or is it just a Show off Drill :([/QUOTE]
Yes Sigung did do this drill. There could have been many reasons why. It may all be smoke and mirrors. That’s normal in Wing Chun.
Fundamentally you have to ask what it will develop. For people that think that Ving Tsun is about gluing themselves on each others arms this drill will have its place. In real fighting there is no prolonged contact. There is no time to chase the the arms like is taught in most schools. IMO this is another drill that only works between two cooperating training partners and does little to increase ones prowess in a real fight. We were given eyes for a reason and they are the most important thing you will need when somebody is trying to bash your head in. Why waste time with blind folds.
One could argue that maybe it was used to tease the CLF guys. Who know’s?
Blindfolded chi sau training is nonsense IMO and only adds to the arrogance that Wing Chun guys think they can fight that way and/or it develops any real skill.
I was taught in the past that if you could develop the ability to “bridge” get control of the arms and use the opponents force against them with your sight restricted that it should make it easier when sight is restored. I have since recognized the error in that way of thinking and firmly believe that that whole idea is absolute BS!
Blindfold or not… There were many bad habits present in his footwork that would get him into trouble against a competent fighter.
Where I have seen WSL demo blindfolded, it seems it is to show how in VT we use Lat Sao Jik Chung, rather than as a parlour trick.
ie here @ 2:45 ish.
[QUOTE=T_Ray;1240948]Where I have seen WSL demo blindfolded, it seems it is to show how in VT we use Lat Sao Jik Chung, rather than as a parlour trick.
ie here @ 2:45 ish.
http://youtu.be/KkbJnQbkxHk[/QUOTE]
Rather than speculate I’ll drop Philipp a message.
Cliff is good but I think this is just silly martial arts stuff, PR. Hard to see the benefit. I’m sure he would say that himself if you asked.
[QUOTE=guy b.;1240952]Cliff is good but I think this is just silly martial arts stuff, PR. Hard to see the benefit. I’m sure he would say that himself if you asked.[/QUOTE]
PR stuff would be my guess but then why sell an idea that doesn’t make much sense or has any benefit in developing Kung fu skills? Any logical thinking person would think it’s absurd.
Ving Tsun evolves. Maybe this is one of those things that should remain in the past. 
Its a useful tool, nothing more. Don’t take it as a way of fighting but a simple drill to lep you.
Paul
www.moifa.co.uk
[QUOTE=Graham H;1240954]PR stuff would be my guess but then why sell an idea that doesn’t make much sense or has any benefit in developing Kung fu skills? Any logical thinking person would think it’s absurd.
Ving Tsun evolves. Maybe this is one of those things that should remain in the past. ;)[/QUOTE]
Yes, probably a miss reading of current martial arts climate. Maybe a cultural aspect to it? Who knows?
WSL certainly did a few PR type things in his time which look a bit dodgy looking back now.
[QUOTE=Paul T England;1240956]Its a useful tool, nothing more. Don’t take it as a way of fighting but a simple drill to lep you.[/QUOTE]
Please explain what it helps
So here is the reason…
The blindfold is given to students that have problems “chasing the arms” visually and with their own arms. The thinking is that if the students vision is taken away that they will not be effected by obstacles and therefore will develop the correct idea of LSJC using the whole body. Some students that have more courage and are less prone to being scared of incoming limbs may not require it. If the student needs the blindfold he should keep wearing it until the problem is trained away.
Unfortunately people have interpreted blindfold training into trying become sensitive to each others movements through prolonged contact with the arms. The correct idea is not to stick to the arms but attack the center without cowering away from attacks.
…and also for PR
[QUOTE=Graham H;1240968]…and also for PR :D[/QUOTE]
I’m guessing Cliff doesn’t think he himself has problems with arm chasing so in this case more likely 100% PR
[QUOTE=guy b.;1240971]I’m guessing Cliff doesn’t think he himself has problems with arm chasing so in this case more likely 100% PR[/QUOTE]
Without asking him I don’t know and I would be embarrassed to ask but there is a lot of arm chasing in that clip.
In the WSL clips he just drills forward which makes more sense if any development is to come from it IMO.
I have never needed the blindfold which is why I wasn’t really sure about it. I’m glad I asked. Everyday is a school day