Originally posted by old jong Yes,we know!..
Witch brings my next question: [SIZE=3]Are you shy about Wing Chun?..Do you feel like a kid caught masturbating by his mother if you are seen doing SLT?..[/SIZE]
in some ways Iām embarrassed by wing Chun as it is perceived in fight world , and how it has turned into karate or tai chi and lost itās edge as a legitimate fighting system
over intellectualized
chi sau competitions
historians
belts
uniforms
certificates
lineage
all the fluff stuff
so to me the forms are a very personal thing , time in your mind to reflect and refine not something to perform
it is not a kata
once some one asked me to play SLT and I fell out laughing
I was like what the hell are you talking about .
he said I would like to see your form
so I said why letās glove up and move around I want to see the application of your skill
and he freaked out
this mindset tripped me out and still does
people get all into shapes and stances , with no clue on application the very reasons why those forms came to life in the first place
so yes I do honestly get embarrassed when I get lumped in with that group by default
Why do you āevolvedā guys are always so **** serious?..(with the exception of when you have a good one on who you percieve as ātraditionalsā)
O.K. : " Why do you consider the past as something so bad?..Why do you think we impose constraints on ourselves?..Is being openminded mean accepting anything for ourselves?..How can we juge progression without knowing the future in advance?..Could progression be really regression in some circumstances?..Do āevolvedā guys read minds?.. Mutations do happen but are they always in the good direction?..Should all choices be respected?..I could go on forever but you get the idea!.. I will still add another one: How can we assume so easily about otherās skill based on their personal choices and philosophy?..
Ernie!
There are many thing you cite that I donāt like much myself. I think you should also not juge the whole Wing Chun scene by the fact that you intimidated some guy with your big pecks!.. Bully!..
Originally posted by old jong Ernie!
There are many thing you cite that I donāt like much myself. I think you should also not juge the whole Wing Chun scene by the fact that you intimidated some guy with your big pecks!.. Bully!..
Jong
For all you might think about me , I am in no way intimidating I really try to be as cool and genuine with people as I can be , no head trips no my way vs your way , I really donāt care about wining or losing , Iām just a student of the process , so when I ask some one to move around Iām not going to go off on them if anything I want to feed lines to see how they shut me down no competition at all , itās just a better way to evaluate skill , balance , timing , control sensitivity all that
Chi sau has holes and things that work in chi sau wonāt fly when there is air space , the end game is application is it not ?
One of the most impressive things about the good wing chun people I have come across is they simply said go ahead attack me , they didnāt tell you how to hit them just do what ever
This ability to read and adapt is crucial
But when a guy is all let me see your form and then lets roll Iām cool what ever , if he is a head case he will fire off he few favorite moves or get all red faced and emotional
If he has been around for a while and has no ego then things go back and forth and you have a dialogue
But you still never really get a read on what his real application skill is
Ernie!
Some guys are easily intimidated,want it ir not!..( you said that he āfreaked outā or something!..)
BTW, I donāt hate you or misjuge you for your personal ideas and I really prefer to say ājust attack me the way you likeā over āgive a punch that wayāā¦ I trust myself more than I can trust others!..You understand?..
Hey Ernie!
I hope we will meet someday.Iām not that of a young buck anymore but I would not shy away from playing with you a little bit if you donāt mind.The more I get older ,the more I tend to work on the ānon resistanceā aspect of Wing Chun.In other words,I get sneakier and more technical all the times!.. Itās a long run from the times I was your age.I was in TKD then and I was feared for my punches to the āred dotā of the body gear,sending guys on their backs.I was also very āmachoā taking kicks to the body just for getting close enough for my punches. I have plently of lumps to prove that fact!..I realised I was more the āboxing kindā but I prefered not to get in boxing because I need my braincells for my retirements days.( in just a few years!)So Wing Chun was ready for me!..
I also did some Aikido,and Karate (kyokushin) in my younger years and sometimes practice judo ne-wasa with a friend of mine (5th degree b.b.) ā¦Rough!..
yea man I hope we hang out some time , I like you tenacity:D
I love hanging with cats that have been around the block , as for playing it safe Iām heading down that road as well , Iām on the injured reserved list right now
Two of my students will participate in a Kenneth Cheung seminar this coming weekend in Rochester NY. They will have the pleasure of meeting KJ and meeting again with Mark and āTuckā who we meet at the recent Ho Kam Ming seminar at my Sifuās place in Ottawa.(Patrick Gordon)
I wish I could be there but my work shedule doesnāt allow me to go.
Is it a sign of times when a guy can send āadvanced studentsā?..
Originally posted by old jong Two of my students will participate in a Kenneth Cheung seminar this coming weekend in Rochester NY. They will have the pleasure of meeting KJ and meeting again with Mark and āTuckā who we meet at the recent Ho Kam Ming seminar at my Sifuās place in Ottawa.(Patrick Gordon)
I wish I could be there but my work shedule doesnāt allow me to go.
Is it a sign of times when a guy can send āadvanced studentsā?..
Have they met Kenneth Chung before? I would like to hear their seminar report either way.
We are greatly looking forward to the time with your students and friends, Old Jong. I only regret that you cannot join us this time. Iāll still look forward to meeting up with you when we can.
It was terrific meeting Alex and Hai from Montreal this past weekend, as well as another long-time virtual acquaintance from Buffalo. I am so happy they could join us. They were pleasant, patient, considerate, genuinely inquisitive and open minded, and obviously very dedicated in their Wing Chun pursuits. I hope they enjoyed and benefited in some ways from the seminar. We all enjoyed our brief time with them, as did Ken.
The only downside is that our time together was all too short. I and the others in our group are definitely looking forward to our next opportunity to meet and exchange.
Kathy Jo-
Alex sent me a email and he was very happy about the seminar and by the friendly atmosphere he found.I am sure that Hai had a similar experience.I will see them at tonightās class and I will get more feedback from the seminar.
Ć la prochaine!..
Originally posted by PaulH So, whatās the highlights of the seminar, Kathy? Surely there must be some life changing perspective for you from this! =)
Ha ha. In ways, everything is life changing, nāest pas?
No major epiphanies for me this time, but lots of much needed constructive feedback and corrections (e.g., āthe errors of my waysā), and peeling more layers of the onion. In other words, I need a Hades of a lot of work. Iāll defer to others on any special points of interest.
One thing we spent some extra time on this visit was in having Ken critique our new wooden dummy. We had it built to our specs by Carina Cirrincione of Little Raven Studios. She did a phenomenal job on it at what I consider a bargain price. Her workmanship is extraordinary, and she was a thorough delight to work with on the project. Other than a small adjustment to the leg dimension (which Carina followed as requested and according to our specs), it is virtually perfect. The āplayā in the dummy is outstanding! After working on substandard dummies for so long, I am thrilled with how āaliveā this one is, and have a whole new appreciation for the benefits training with a well crafted and engineered dummy. This dummy served as a prototype and also to replace the one in our studio. Having fallen in love with it, I am already thinking about how and when I will manage to replace my existing hunk of junk at home.
As Old Jong (my sifu) stated above it has been a great seminar (at least for me). We spent 6 hours with Ken and the rochester wing chun crew lost in a peacefull park near the Ontario Lake (just in front of it in fact).
Right from the start of the seminar, Ken started demonstrating, explaining, answering questions again and again without holding anything back. We had the priviledge (ouch ā¦ my shoulders) to feel and experiment his heavy hits during the whole seminar. The topics varied a lot depending on the questions from discussions to story telling, from demonstrations to sharp stance adjustements, from explanations to talks about other styles (praying mantis, xing yi, ā¦), ā¦ He is literally unstoppable and without the wise intervension of Kathy we would have ended up (with pleasure) listening to him and his thoughts the next morning. Too bad we had a tight schedule and had to go back to Montreal on saturday evening (at least 1 hour 30 late from our schedule though).
my only regrets ? to have missed the chance to taste those huge sandwiches the US winchunners eat at lunchtime (i could have almost used them as wing chun long poles ā¦) and to have such a tight schedule and missed the chance to touch hands a little bit more with Ken (to try things ā¦ too bad i havenāt had the time to gather enough energy to use my special ā8 Emei Boudhas Palmā hit ),
We were (and still are) both very excited by this seminar and our encounter with Ken (and the RC),
