A movie producer friend of mine wants to do a cable TV show where different TMA styles fight other martial artists. He initially wanted to have people of the same art but from different schools compete. He wanted to start with a segment where WC schools fought against each other. I told him that WC has enough infighting so I wouldn’t support that. I did however say that maybe we could get a team of WC people from different lineages to form a “Team Wing Chun” to fight against another TMA team. I haven’t approached anyone yet but I will contact Sifu Jay Hitchman from Moy Yat lineage to see if he’s willing to enter some of his students like he did in the manupstandup matches. I do believe that any amatuer should be able to compete, even MMA people. But for some reason he wants TMA only because TMA has a rep for not fighting. The matches may have to take place in NJ but I’ll have more details later. Don’t shoot the messenger. I’m just passing on an idea. I’d appreciate any input from you guys on how this can or cannot work. Thanks in advance.
Phil
My friends from other martial arts disciplines including MMA told me not to expect many offers from WC people to fight. I said that it’s too early to say that since I just made the post. I hope they are wrong.
It would also be nice to see an over 50 Sifu full contact match. I would be into that for sure. I wouldn’t want to do a 3 min 5 round match against a younger guy since I know I’d get gassed. But I can see doing a full contact match with someone in my age group for maybe two 2 min rounds. Sensei Jonas Nunez who I fought some years ago is advocating over 50 instructors doing full contact. It would be very interesting to see if what we “mature” Sifus teach can work. If anyone over 50 is interested please shoot me a PM.
Well, I’m a Tai Chi practitioner, but I’d love to fight some more full-contact matches (Team Tai Chi vs Team Wing Chun?). Unfortunately I’m in California, nowhere near Jersey… 
[QUOTE=cerebus;1017000]Well, I’m a Tai Chi practitioner, but I’d love to fight some more full-contact matches (Team Tai Chi vs Team Wing Chun?). Unfortunately I’m in California, nowhere near Jersey… :([/QUOTE]
Thanks for being the first person to chime in. I adamantly believe TMA can compete full contact if trained right. After all, MMA has it’s roots in TMA regardless off what people think.
Maybe this can become an international event. But I still don’t think there will be any creditability until some invincible, incredible, undeafeatable, MMA guy gets involved. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1017001]
I still don’t think there will be any creditability until some invincible, incredible, undeafeatable, MMA guy gets involved. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Well, depending upon the rules, sanctioning (ie how LEGAL) etc I am sure I have a bunch of students who would want to fight…
My concern is primarily that the event is LEGAL and sanctioned with insurance
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1017003]Well, depending upon the rules, sanctioning (ie how LEGAL) etc I am sure I have a bunch of students who would want to fight…
My concern is primarily that the event is LEGAL and sanctioned with insurance[/QUOTE]
I definitively agree with you since you have more experience with full contact rules. Please let me me know what my friend needs to do to make such an event happen. His initial event was supposed to be WC v CLF. But he was basing this rivalry according to things he’d seen on websites. I do have NJ connections for full contact bouts
Hey Phil,
If you pay my way up I would be interested in participating. Perhaps even get a little of the Army vs Marine rivalry 
Although, at present my training is focused on other than wing chun, I might still remember enough wc to make a good showing. At least I can fall down well 
Seriously, hit me up offline and give me more details. Perhaps I could arrange a visit when I bring the girls up to visit their mom.
The problem I see with these sort of events is that by the time legal sanctioning, insurance, and whatever gets done with it, you have another MMA situation. Most of your fighting skills are going to neutralized by gloves and rules out the a$$. None of this and none of that, can’t do this and can’t do that. If you want to see good fighting between the traditional martial arts you will have to have a no holds barred fight. The only rule being that you can not deliberately kill an apponent. Otherwise, it is going to end up just like they all do, being a MMA situation.
I also believe that guys like me who are among the pioneers of WC figthers in the East Coast should be able to demonstrate what we teach in a full contact match with Sifus in our own group. I know I can at least do a 2 or 3 round round match against someone in my age group. Any takers?
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;1017017]The problem I see with these sort of events is that by the time legal sanctioning, insurance, and whatever gets done with it, you have another MMA situation. Most of your fighting skills are going to neutralized by gloves and rules out the a$$. None of this and none of that, can’t do this and can’t do that. If you want to see good fighting between the traditional martial arts you will have to have a no holds barred fight. The only rule being that you can not deliberately kill an apponent. Otherwise, it is going to end up just like they all do, being a MMA situation.[/QUOTE]
You hit the nail right on the head. I just received a PM from someone in NY who is familiar with full contact rules. Here’s what he wrote me: “Better to do a sanshou/san da like format, no ground, and you can legally do it in NY without even the commission getting involved”
I’m going to suggest this to the promoter.
If time, money, and other resources were paid—I’d do it in a heartbeat. It’s hard to find good, consistent sparring partners here so any chance I get to find one that’s also into TMA’s I jump on them (not literally).
But really…what’s the big deal about rules and gloves? Anyone that says that they can’t use wing chun because of 4oz gloves or rules probably can’t do wing chun anyway.
You can still punch, use any of the arm movements, kick straight, use all of your footwork…so what’s the problem? Sounds like excuses to me.
I will always say that those of us who advocate fighting should at least be able to fight against our peers. I’m ready to spar/fight against WC people of my age group. I should set a example for my students. There are too many theoretical Sifus out there. Any takers in the NY area?
[QUOTE=Vankuen;1017021]If time, money, and other resources were paid—I’d do it in a heartbeat. It’s hard to find good, consistent sparring partners here so any chance I get to find one that’s also into TMA’s I jump on them (not literally).
But really…what’s the big deal about rules and gloves? Anyone that says that they can’t use wing chun because of 4oz gloves or rules probably can’t do wing chun anyway.
You can still punch, use any of the arm movements, kick straight, use all of your footwork…so what’s the problem? Sounds like excuses to me.[/QUOTE]
Thumbs up. 
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1017018]I know I can at least do a 2 or 3 round round match against someone in my age group. Any takers?[/QUOTE]
Don’t know what your age is or if you ever get out to Oakland, California, but I’ll be 40 in July and weigh around 170/ 175. If you ever get out this way, let me know. I’d be happy to fight a friendly but competitive match with you…
We can bill it as Tai Chi vs Wing Chun and sell copies of the vid… 
[QUOTE=cerebus;1017030]Don’t know what your age is or if you ever get out to Oakland, California, but I’ll be 40 in July and weigh around 170/ 175. If you ever get out this way, let me know. I’d be happy to fight a friendly but competitive match with you…
We can bill it as Tai Chi vs Wing Chun and sell copies of the vid… :p[/QUOTE]
I seriously respect that. I miss full contact and look for any chance to do so. My email is sifu@wckwoon.com. I should be in L.A. in September. Contact me
Peace, Phil
[QUOTE=cerebus;1017030]Don’t know what your age is or if you ever get out to Oakland, California, but I’ll be 40 in July and weigh around 170/ 175. If you ever get out this way, let me know. I’d be happy to fight a friendly but competitive match with you…
We can bill it as Tai Chi vs Wing Chun and sell copies of the vid… :p[/QUOTE]
I’m a young 62. But there are Sifus my age in my area that should be able to fight a full contact match anywhere in NYC to prove what they do works against a resisting opponent. I can be reached at my website, sifupr@wckwoon.com if any Sifus in my area want to test what they teach
You and I have to have a little matchup, Philprobably at some point towards the end of the summer or early autumn, since I have quite a load of things on my plate right now.
Im starting a new job next week in the sales of business equipment, and going to work for someone who knows me for over 20 years so he expects me to hit the ground running
Which means that its not just 8:30-5:30 M-F in the beginning but also some homework at night doing webinars for product knowledge, and for planning the sales calls for the next day
AND
Im in the middle of selling my house (the closing is on June 18th)which means packing, and moving, and unpacking
AND
Im still looking for a place in the Tribeca area of Manhattan to move my school to (all the places Ive seen so far are either too small or cant give me the days & hours I want)
And since I already left the school in Brooklyn at the end of March - Im only working out with a few students on Saturdays (and thats only when weather permits since we hold the class outdoors)
Instead of the normal 3-4 days per week that Ive been doing for all these many years
So I need to get a new place, settle in, and get back into the shape Im used to being in
And then you and I can have our own little matchup. Ill really be looking forward to that.
-So Ill be in touch
Phil I take it this will occur in New York area? I think I have several folks that might be interested but they would have to travel some distance so would have to have all information far enough in advance so that all arrangements for travel could be made.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1017039]I seriously respect that. I miss full contact and look for any chance to do so. My email is sifu@wckwoon.com. I should be in L.A. in September. Contact me
Peace, Phil[/QUOTE]
Hey Phil. Thanks! L.A. is a ways away from me (I’m across the bay from SF), will you be coming up through Nor Cal after L.A.? We have a pretty good little group of friends here who are connected through the forum formerly known as “emptyflower” (now known as rumsoakedfist.org for a variety of convoluted reasons). One of them is Fong Liu, a Shuai Jiao student of Daniel Weng who is also a certified International San Shou referee (as well as being built like a mack truck and being a good aggressive guy to spar against).