Does WC work?

Yes in the right environment it does!!!

If you want your WC to work in the sports environment it needs to be modified or innovated.

For instance MMA is very good with MMA rules and regulations. But a MMA guy would not fair well in the following competitions!

1.Pro Heavy Weight Boxing Match - By Boxing Rules only
2.Tae Kwon Do Olympics competition - By TKD rules only
3.Kick Boxing competition - By kick boxing rules only
4.Point Fighting Competition - By full contact karate rules only
5.Kyoshukin free fighting competition - by their rules only
6.Muay Thai ring fight - By MT rules only
7.Tai Chi Push hands - By Tai Chi Chuan rules only
8.Wing Chun Chi Sau or Sparring - By WC rules only
9.Kung Fu competition - By the Kung Fu rules only
10.Street fighting challenge by no rules!

A MMA guys tools would be banned or restricted in most of the competition where ground fighting is not allowed. In boxing if you hit the ground you back away so he can get a ten second count. In Mongolian Wrestling you loose once you hit the ground. In TKD there is no punching just kicks. In Kyoshukin you can only punch the body and kicks go to head and body. No ground fighting. In combat Judo the arm bar is not to tap the opponent out but break the arm. Many of MMA guys tools would be banned or forbidden. Do you think a MMA guy would fair well in non-sport judo match, Akikido match or collegiate wrestling match? Where he couldnt use his other stand up tools?

Taking Wing Chun a Street Fighting Art and placing in the cage where Most of his bread and butter techniques can not be used negates his tools!

Question

Would a pure BJJ guy do well in San Shou tournament?

how would a mma guy fair in a tui shou or chi sau match?

The flow can be canceled very easially , most WC is just flowery hands with no substance.

Quoting Bruce Lee without knowing what he is talking about will not give you any credit.

Try to use your own words.

But a MMA guy would not fair well in the following competitions!

He might fare Ok though.

[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1138889]…For instance MMA is very good with MMA rules and regulations. But a MMA guy would not fair well in the following competitions!

1.Pro Heavy Weight Boxing Match - By Boxing Rules only
2.Tae Kwon Do Olympics competition - By TKD rules only
3.Kick Boxing competition - By kick boxing rules only
4.Point Fighting Competition - By full contact karate rules only
5.Kyoshukin free fighting competition - by their rules only
6.Muay Thai ring fight - By MT rules only
7.Tai Chi Push hands - By Tai Chi Chuan rules only
8.Wing Chun Chi Sau or Sparring - By WC rules only
9.Kung Fu competition - By the Kung Fu rules only
10.Street fighting challenge by no rules![/QUOTE]

Aside from Chi-Sao being a drill and not sparring, what the @#% is “Sparring - By WC rules only”???

:confused:

Go and spar with a MMA guy with no rules and you’ll be in for a surprise!

[QUOTE=Robinhood;1139129]The flow can be canceled very easially , most WC is just flowery hands with no substance.

Quoting Bruce Lee without knowing what he is talking about will not give you any credit.

Try to use your own words.[/QUOTE]

lol thats my signature buddy do you like it?

by the way these are my own words!!! - "The Flow is relentless like a raging ocean with crashing waves devasting anything in its path.

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[QUOTE=anerlich;1139155]He might fare Ok though.[/QUOTE]

how could he fair okay in a Chi Sau competition or push hands competition?

[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1140016]how could he fair okay in a Chi Sau competition or push hands competition?[/QUOTE]

because theres no such thing as a chi sao competetion, only clowns who doesnt know what chi sao is ?

Question

[QUOTE=jesper;1140029]because theres no such thing as a chi sao competetion, only clowns who doesnt know what chi sao is ?[/QUOTE]

Have you not ever heard of Chi Sau competitions?

http://www.sixharmony.com/chisao.html

http://www.uswingchun.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02fVjxI1Fa4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWJ3xQwcI60

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwUgiAHP2BQ

seems like these are all consider chi sau competitions to me buddy?

[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1140033]Have you not ever heard of Chi Sau competitions?

http://www.sixharmony.com/chisao.html

http://www.uswingchun.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02fVjxI1Fa4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWJ3xQwcI60

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwUgiAHP2BQ

seems like these are all consider chi sau competitions to me buddy?[/QUOTE]

the inmates run rampant…:wink:

[QUOTE=jesper;1140029]because theres no such thing as a chi sao competetion, only clowns who doesnt know what chi sao is ?[/QUOTE]

Thank you, glad someone agrees that chi-sao is not a competition, but a mutual drill.

[QUOTE=k gledhill;1140054]Thank you, glad someone agrees that chi-sao is not a competition, but a mutual drill.[/QUOTE]

i agree it is a drill with in your kwoon and among brethren…

But today they have blasted chi competitions you do realize this right?

[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1140061]i agree it is a drill with in your kwoon and among brethren…

But today they have blasted chi competitions you do realize this right?[/QUOTE]

and the fact that people attend those means what exactly ?

I have seen people compete in walking backwards, doesnt make it any less stupid

[QUOTE=jesper;1140079]and the fact that people attend those means what exactly ?

I have seen people compete in walking backwards, doesnt make it any less stupid[/QUOTE]

Augustine Fong participated in chi sau competition!!!

Do you believe his Wing Chun is stupid?

[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1140304]Augustine Fong participated in chi sau competition!!!

Do you believe his Wing Chun is stupid?[/QUOTE]

Participated? No. he has been asked to judge/referee in several tournaments.

[QUOTE=Vajramusti;1140317]----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Participated? No. he has been asked to judge/referee in several tournaments.[/QUOTE]

my computer at home wont show youtube videos…i believe this is it…it could be the wrong video…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ui6rj58DA0

is he not doing a competition here?

ne way…if he felt negative against chi sau competitons why be a judge?

I see lots of competition and pat a cake, but haven’t seen any chi sao yet. The SENI event was a joke and hasn’t been repeated in recent years. Chi sau is a learning environment not competition, if people want to compete then they should just fight.
Looking at the clip of AF it would seem to be a demo not a competition so I don’t believe that it’s relevant.

[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1140383]my computer at home wont show youtube videos…i believe this is it…it could be the wrong video…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ui6rj58DA0

is he not doing a competition here . . . [/QUOTE]
That’s clearly a demo and not a comp.

[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1140422]That’s cleary a demo and not a comp.[/QUOTE]

Its pre arranged demo, he does the same set piece demo in another clip I have seen…