[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1140422]That’s cleary a demo and not a comp.[/QUOTE]
Correct!
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1140426]Its pre arranged demo, he does the same set piece demo in another clip I have seen…[/QUOTE]
Pre- arranged? Decidedly no.
But is a demo- and not fighting. Illustrates timing, positioning and structural control and controlled power.
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1140383]my computer at home wont show youtube videos…i believe this is it…it could be the wrong video…
is he not doing a competition here?
ne way…if he felt negative against chi sau competitons why be a judge?[/QUOTE]
He was invited by a national kung fu tournament to demonstrate eing chun chi sao.
As far as judging- he does not put on chi sao tournaments.He gets asked to be a judge.
A knowledgeable judge is better than the other alternative.
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Pre- arranged? Decidedly no.
But is a demo- and not fighting. Illustrates timing, positioning and structural control and controlled power.[/QUOTE]
He does exactly the same sequence in the other clip, if I can find it I will post both so you can see…I’m only saying, I know its a demo.
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1140441]He does exactly the same sequence in the other clip, if I can find it I will post both so you can see…I’m only saying, I know its a demo.[/QUOTE]
Whatever. It would be good to see you do a comparable demo.
Hey Joy, with no disrespect to any WSL people but it’s obvious that on this forum if you don’t do WSL WC you don’t know diddly. That’s a really sad thought since WSL as well as my own Sifu and others had seniors way before they started WC. Who knows what they were taught? 
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1140481]Hey Joy, with no disrespect to any WSL people but it’s obvious that on this forum if you don’t do WSL WC you don’t know diddly. That’s a really sad thought since WSL as well as my own Sifu and others had seniors way before they started WC. Who knows what they were taught? ;)[/QUOTE]
Hi Phil. I have rolled with WSL twice during his US visit (in San Francisco and Houston).And have attended a seminar of his in San Francisco. of course I respect him as a good senior member of IM’s first HK generation of students.. But you don’t find Peterson. Lam. Au, WSL’s ex b rother in law and others , WSL’s HK proteges being uncivil and dogmatic as two guys who did not learn from WSL but latched on to PB after visits and after wandering around.
As for the forum it’s not a place to find authenticity or good analysis- and with some of the frequent posters- it’s just noise. So two PB students and one person of unknown wc background
cannot speak for wc.
Sometimes one can pick up some unintended insight- but mostly I ignore the noise. KFO is not the nexus of the wing chun world. It’s mostly jabberwocky.
joy chaudhuri
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Hi Phil. I have rolled with WSL twice during his US visit (in San Francisco and Houston).And have attended a seminar of his in San Francisco. of course I respect him as a good senior member of IM’s first HK generation of students.. But you don’t find Peterson. Lam. Au, WSL’s ex b rother in law and others , WSL’s HK proteges being uncivil and dogmatic as two guys who did not learn from WSL but latched on to PB after visits and after wandering around.
As for the forum it’s not a place to find authenticity or good analysis- and with some of the frequent posters- it’s just noise. So two PB students and one person of unknown wc background
cannot speak for wc.
Sometimes one can pick up some unintended insight- but mostly I ignore the noise. KFO is not the nexus of the wing chun world. It’s mostly jabberwocky.
joy chaudhuri[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the insight. I learned something from your post.
One of the many reasons I don’t post in this forum as much.
But I am afraid to say that it is NOT just symptomatic to the WC forum.
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1140383]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ui6rj58DA0
is he not doing a competition here?[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the video link … however the video title clearly said “Wing Chun - The Ultimate Demonstration,” not competition.
[QUOTE=wtxs;1140516]Thanks for the video link … however the video title clearly said “Wing Chun - The Ultimate Demonstration,” not competition.;)[/QUOTE]
You are right back to my point!!!
Would a non-wing chun mma guy be able to do well at said demonstraitions?
To some extent this is true, you train for what genre your in. But on the street, a punch to the face is still a punch to the face. Their ability to hit hard and take a punch can be applied on the street.
In my opinion, why you don’t see wing chun in mma is with gloves, you don’t have knock out power. With gloves you need momentum based punches to have any real power. Now, I’m not saying Wing Chun can’t hit hard, but all the power displayed are always without gloves. You have to start using other methods for power if you have gloves, more hard style type power generation, adding moment, hip and body movements. you can add this to your wing chun if you do MMA, but is gonna look quite different then traditional Wing Chun.
As far as does wing chun work? depends how you train. I feel there needs to be some sparring or you’ll never learn timing and how to apply your wing chun at speed.
[QUOTE=mesar;1141194]To some extent this is true, you train for what genre your in. But on the street, a punch to the face is still a punch to the face. Their ability to hit hard and take a punch can be applied on the street.
In my opinion, why you don’t see wing chun in mma is with gloves, you don’t have knock out power. With gloves you need momentum based punches to have any real power. Now, I’m not saying Wing Chun can’t hit hard, but all the power displayed are always without gloves. You have to start using other methods for power if you have gloves, more hard style type power generation, adding moment, hip and body movements. you can add this to your wing chun if you do MMA, but is gonna look quite different then traditional Wing Chun.
As far as does wing chun work? depends how you train. I feel there needs to be some sparring or you’ll never learn timing and how to apply your wing chun at speed.[/QUOTE]
A good wing chunperson shoold have “knockout”(and worse) power with or without gloves.
Beginners usually don’t.
Not just Wing Chun, but I would love to see a Trad. Kung Fu used in high profile fights, like how Machinda ultised Shotokan in UFC.
Thats the problem, you don’t see it. Good wing chun or no. look at the nuances you do to get your power, some of those you cannot do with gloves on. Using wrist for instance. The type of power transfer, at least how I punch, you punch relaxed and upon impact you stick very briefly to transfer energy. With gloves on, this is reduced.
[QUOTE=mesar;1141209]Thats the problem, you don’t see it. Good wing chun or no. look at the nuances you do to get your power, some of those you cannot do with gloves on. Using wrist for instance. The type of power transfer, at least how I punch, you punch relaxed and upon impact you stick very briefly to transfer energy. With gloves on, this is reduced.[/QUOTE]
Do you really think a WC punch with utilization of yiu ma wouldnt do damage or knock you if it connected correctly?
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1141400]Do you really think a WC punch with utilization of yiu ma wouldnt do damage or knock you if it connected correctly?[/QUOTE]
lol depends how you do it. Put on boxing gloves.Then hit the bag with yiu ma, played around with elbow position, distance of rotation, energy and still keeping it functional and repeatable. Not doing the one hit and I’m done. So simple answer is yes.
[QUOTE=mesar;1141483]lol depends how you do it. Put on boxing gloves.Then hit the bag with yiu ma, played around with elbow position, distance of rotation, energy and still keeping it functional and repeatable. Not doing the one hit and I’m done. So simple answer is yes.[/QUOTE]
I did that today!