[QUOTE=Ultimatewingchun;1017065] . . . .
And then you and I can have our own little matchup. I’ll really be looking forward to that.
-So I’ll be in touch…[/QUOTE]
You have my contact info
[QUOTE=Vankuen;1017021]If time, money, and other resources were paid—I’d do it in a heartbeat. It’s hard to find good, consistent sparring partners here so any chance I get to find one that’s also into TMA’s I jump on them (not literally).
But really…what’s the big deal about rules and gloves? Anyone that says that they can’t use wing chun because of 4oz gloves or rules probably can’t do wing chun anyway.
You can still punch, use any of the arm movements, kick straight, use all of your footwork…so what’s the problem? Sounds like excuses to me.[/QUOTE]
You must be an MMA enthusiest. All that was so easy to say, but making it happen is going to be your challenge. I would not waste time doing something that is going to end up just like all the other MMA stuff with people saying, just look at that, Such and such don't work. Go MMA!! It is all foolishness to begin with you know. I probably shouldn't have said that, and I am not a troll. I am on an open forum and I am only expressing an opinion. If you can work this thing with as few rules as you can, maybe it will work out.
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;1017180]You must be an MMA enthusiest. All that was so easy to say, but making it happen is going to be your challenge. I would not waste time doing something that is going to end up just like all the other MMA stuff with people saying, just look at that, Such and such don’t work. Go MMA!! It is all foolishness to begin with you know. I probably shouldn’t have said that, and I am not a troll. I am on an open forum and I am only expressing an opinion. If you can work this thing with as few rules as you can, maybe it will work out.[/QUOTE]
Well…think about it…do the gloves REALLY hinder your ability to use wing chun? You can still use tan, bong, wu, pak, biu, gam, jaam, gaan, kwan, kau, lap and etc. You can still punch. You can still kick. So no, it doesn’t hinder your wing chun.
Does the fact that maiming techniques not being allowed REALLY hinder your wing chun? Do you depend on eye gouging, fish hooking, kicking to the balls, hitting the back of the head or spine, sticking your fingers in peoples a-holes, or anything of the like when you train your wing chun? No? Then the rules don’t hinder your use of wing chun.
So if the gloves and the rules don’t hinder the use of one’s wing chun, then why use that as an excuse? The reason I can say this so “easily” is because I do it every time I train. It’s quite easy to continue to implement with 4 oz gloves and I’ve even used wing chun with boxing gloves for christ sake. Not all of it mind you because the gloves are so big, but things like cutting punches, angles, using the forearms / bridges in varied forms like bong and biu jong sao…etc.
That is why I say that anyone that says the gloves and rules don’t allow them to use their wing chun are just full of crap and making excuses.
Don’t know what your age is or if you ever get out to Oakland, California, but I’ll be 40 in July and weigh around 170/ 175. If you ever get out this way, let me know. I’d be happy to fight a friendly but competitive match with you…
Sorry for jumping in, but Phil’s > 15 years older than you.
From my own experience as a 55 year old, the difference between 40 and 50+ is pretty huge. I’ve trained all that time, but the fall off in cardio and the longer injury-related lapses are inexorable.
BJJ have divisions, though in small comps they’re generally not used, of five year increments once you’re over 30. When I compete (not for a few years) it’s usually against a guy 20 or 30 years younger with equivalent technical skills, and that’s hard work.
The occasional outlier like Randy Couture notwithstanding, IMO you probably want to be within 5 years of your opponent to make it reasonably fair. The ancient grandmaster effortlessly defeating the hordes of youngsters is the stuff only of legend.
My WC instructor had a long and successful kickboxing career. Gloves and rules didn’t affect his success much.
He also won an international KF tournament in Hong Kong in 1982. The gloves were about 4 oz, and you could do just about anything other than biting, groin shots and eye pokes. heaps of elbows to the back of the neck. They only ran it once because so many people got injured that none of the sponsors ever wanted anything to do with a similar tournament again.
If you want to see good fighting between the traditional martial arts you will have to have a no holds barred fight. The only rule being that you can not deliberately kill an apponent.
Try getting the finances together for that. And staying out of jail.
Masters Redmond and Parlati have a lot more experience than I do, but from what I’ve seen locally, getting an event like this together is a bear, primarily because of the insurance.
When someone gets hurt, what recourse do they have for medical treatment? What is the long-term consequence of their injury?
When the lawyers get involved it gets to be very expensive to put this together.
As for 50 and 60 year old, non-professionals competing in any athletic event, much less a contact sport… God Bless You, but the human body does have its limits. As much as a warrior anyone of us may be, physics is physics. I don’t think anyone over the age of 50 should fight in a full-contact, no-equipment event. It only takes one shot to have a life-changing injury.
Did anything ever come of this?
[QUOTE=Zhang Yong Chun;1017322]Masters Redmond and Parlati have a lot more experience than I do, but from what I’ve seen locally, getting an event like this together is a bear, primarily because of the insurance.
When someone gets hurt, what recourse do they have for medical treatment? What is the long-term consequence of their injury?
When the lawyers get involved it gets to be very expensive to put this together.[/QUOTE]
Man! Just sign a waiver like the olde days 
I wish you all the luck in the world to get this off the ground in the states!
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1022664]Did anything ever come of this?[/QUOTE]
im guessing not, and i am also guessing that stuff like this is the reason you have your guys compete in MMA these days
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;1017180]You must be an MMA enthusiest. All that was so easy to say, but making it happen is going to be your challenge. I would not waste time doing something that is going to end up just like all the other MMA stuff with people saying, just look at that, Such and such don’t work. Go MMA!! It is all foolishness to begin with you know. I probably shouldn’t have said that, and I am not a troll. I am on an open forum and I am only expressing an opinion. If you can work this thing with as few rules as you can, maybe it will work out.[/QUOTE]
exactly what does 4oz gloves, mats and a gum shield stop you from doing from your arsenal of wing chun techniques?
It’s not any of those things. It’s the other guy. :eek:
[QUOTE=Frost;1022688]exactly what does 4oz gloves, mats and a gum shield stop you from doing from your arsenal of wing chun techniques?[/QUOTE]
A solid kick to the knee joint, nuts or neck? :D:p
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1022739]A solid kick to the knee joint, nuts or neck? :D:p[/QUOTE]
knees and nuts were allowed in early ufcs…and i dare so in valetudo in brazil they still are 
[QUOTE=Frost;1022997]knees and nuts were allowed in early ufcs…and i dare so in valetudo in brazil they still are :)[/QUOTE]
I fought a VT match once that the only rule was to respect the ref when he stops the fight.
Gotta love those matches on indian reservations 
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1023025]I fought a VT match once that the only rule was to respect the ref when he stops the fight.
Gotta love those matches on indian reservations ;)[/QUOTE]
At least you know what you do will work against a resisting opponent…even if it was just sports:)
i hope your ref wasnt like the guy at the first UFC comp…the one where the fighters kept expecting him to step in to stop the matches and he just looked on:eek:
[QUOTE=Frost;1023033]At least you know what you do will work against a resisting opponent…even if it was just sports:)
i hope your ref wasnt like the guy at the first UFC comp…the one where the fighters kept expecting him to step in to stop the matches and he just looked on:eek:[/QUOTE]
No comment.
[QUOTE=Frost;1023033]i hope your ref wasnt like the guy at the first UFC comp…the one where the fighters kept expecting him to step in to stop the matches and he just looked on:eek:[/QUOTE]
or like #2 in Denver where in one of the first fights that sumo wrestler got his teeth kicked into the second row? and the whole arena got instantly deathly quiet?
much respect Sifu Redmond for trying to get a sifu over 50 competitions but from what i’ve been reading i don’t think guys your age in the TMA will want to compete to much ego i think u are the only one willing to compete will or lose, but good luck i would really like to see you throwdown old school, lol
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1016981]A movie producer friend of mine wants to do a cable TV show where different TMA styles fight other martial artists. He initially wanted to have people of the same art but from different schools compete. He wanted to start with a segment where WC schools fought against each other. I told him that WC has enough infighting so I wouldn’t support that. I did however say that maybe we could get a team of WC people from different lineages to form a “Team Wing Chun” to fight against another TMA team. I haven’t approached anyone yet but I will contact Sifu Jay Hitchman from Moy Yat lineage to see if he’s willing to enter some of his students like he did in the manupstandup matches. I do believe that any amatuer should be able to compete, even MMA people. But for some reason he wants TMA only because TMA has a rep for not fighting. The matches may have to take place in NJ but I’ll have more details later. Don’t shoot the messenger. I’m just passing on an idea. I’d appreciate any input from you guys on how this can or cannot work. Thanks in advance.
Phil[/QUOTE]
does this movie producer have the initials WH? sounds like something he would do.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1023025]I fought a VT match once that the only rule was to respect the ref when he stops the fight.
Gotta love those matches on indian reservations ;)[/QUOTE]
3D film (director’s cut) with subtitles, liner notes and overlay narration or it didn’t happen…