Why do you think that Wing Chun has become the most popular of the Chinese styles? Is it because of Bruce Lee? Or because it is obviously effective? Or easier to pronouce and more catchy word than other styles?
Yes, it is because of a) Bruce Lee, and b) Lee’s classmates seizing Lee’s fame as a springboard.
Of course, there would still be WCK around today without Lee, just probably not in such great numbers, or with such fondness for cheese.
Re: Why Wing Chun?
Originally posted by KarmaFire
Why do you think that Wing Chun has become the most popular of the Chinese styles? Is it because of Bruce Lee? Or because it is obviously effective? Or easier to pronouce and more catchy word than other styles?
I thought everyone in WCK is converting to BJJ and XYZ for fighting today? NO? 
I believe that Wing Chun offers better self defense than BJJ or anything else. I was just curious out of every chinese style why, Wing Chun reigns supreme(In popularity)? Wing Chun keeps the practioner on their feet and thats better than the ground any day in a street fight. And anti grappling works, your not going to get attacked on the street by Mark Coleman. And if you did BJJ or anything else nothing could save you. But Anti grappling works wonders against all the Ive seen UFC’s wannabe’s.
Originally posted by KarmaFire
I was just curious out of every chinese style why, Wing Chun reigns supreme(In popularity)? .
Wing Chun Kuen consists of two faces-- the body and the application which inherit the phylosophical root of Chinese MA, since it is a Chinese Martial art.
Manifest its characteristics in three components – Power generation/issuing, Momentum and potential dynamics, and methodology of both applications and training.
With a Curriculum of : SLT… Chi Sau… Dummy… Technical fighting
Training in the domain of Mind/ breathing/ body.
It is a complete training to prepare for a good body and a sound fighting handling.
Same with everything in this world. there is no perfect and every thing has its strenght and weakness. WCK also cannot be perfect. and thus, evolution of making perfect continous on.
Wing Chun Kuen is not a JUST FIGHTING ART.
Analogy to car raising, Wing Chun Kuen train in a certain way with SLT and its sets to condition its practitional to have a certain characterisitcs. such as A 4 wheel Drive BMW is not a Honda accord 2 wheel drive.
with Chi Sau and Dummy WCK continous to train the practitioner after one recognized it is a "4 wheel Drive BMW’ how to handle different curve and hill’s handling…
Technical fighting comes at the end after understand who “one” is and how “one” handle various situation based on who "one’ is.
IMHO, WCK cannot be a just fighting because WCK’s training involve in prepare a person from basic to advance skill ready for both strengthen one’s body and improve one’s fighting skill.
Certainly, to involve in more fighting will broadern one’s experience in fighting. However, analogy to taking a test without preparation is looking for trouble.
Certainly, the one who prepare will not always A’s the test and sometimes migth even fail. But the one who goes into the examination without preparing is looking forward to learn in a hard way. The one who drive all car in one same ways without understand the characteristics of the car is not make the best used of the car and its characteristics.
WCK is a balance/centering Body and Application art.
For Application without body is about not understanding what it is.
For Body without application is useless even if one master the characteristics of the art.
just some thought.
Hendrik,
What is the difference between 4WD and 2WD in WCK body mechanics for fighting?
Regards,
PH
Originally posted by PaulH
[B]Hendrik,
What is the difference between 4WD and 2WD in WCK body mechanics for fighting?
Regards,
PH [/B]
The famous WC full body sensing adaption and non telescopic short jing generation from any part of the body.
Sure, saying this , another argument… might comes up. But that is what the ancestors’ view not mine. So dont shoot the messenger.
And with the characteristics above lots of situation will be handling differently due to the characteristics.
IE: Yee Chuan never believe in Grapping. WXZ prove again and again even toward the Olympic Judoka. They cannot grap him. He bounce them away at the point of touching WXZ. he proved his way around china and with figthers from others country. The thunder Shock model
IE: Mas Oyama’s Middle punch is that God’s hand, the spiral out power cannot be stop, he prove his middle punch against a wrestle … and that over 200 fights.
IE: Osense’s Aikido throw is unresistable… that is oppost with MAs oyama’s Kang “hard and elastic” god hand but with “soft and elastic” water flow model.
every art has it’s model and thus they solve problem in a different way.
Could you provide some WCK kuits or whatever past evidences that further support this view? I see only non WCK’s examples cited in your previous post.
Regards,
PH
There are some miraculous people out there who could kick @$$ with ballet, heck with no formal training at all. This does not reflect any MA system’s merits or lack thereof. You can’t talk about systems like that, only individuals.
When talking about systems, you need to assess what system can take the largest number of average people and bring them to a certain level of successful application in the shortest period of time.
Do most things for 30+ years, or have some natural ability, and you could most likely handle Joe-Average in a constrained encounter. What could let someone without natural ability handle him in 3 years? In 3 months? In 3 days? In 3 hours?
Originally posted by reneritchie
There are some miraculous people out there who could kick @$$ with ballet,…
If that’s the case, then that would certainly make going to the ballet a whole lot more interesting. Swan Lake meets WWF.
When talking about systems, you need to assess what system can take the largest number of average people and bring them to a certain level of successful application in the shortest period of time.
I see where you’re going with this, and agree for the most part.
I just have an issue with the “shortest period of time” portion of the statement. I may be wrong, but I think some “inferior arts” can in fact appear to provide more success in the short term, hence their broader appeal to those who need instant gratification. However, they quickly plateau at that point and training becomes doing the same techniques while jumping higher or spinning or whatever. Whereas “superior arts” may in fact take more time on the front-end of the process, but provide enhanced over the medium to long term.
Just my 2 cents…
I practice wing chun for the ladies!
:eek:
Some may ask…Why Wing Chun?
But I ask…Why not Wing Chun?
It could’ve been worse. It could’ve been Tae Kwon Do!
It’s popular because:
- Bruce Lee
- it can be used by people with no fitness, strength or flexibility to vanquish hordes of steroid ridden behemoths
- You can become part of an international cult with internecine rivalry as an added bonus
- You don’t have to be able to do high kicks, that painful and messy sparring stuff, or anything that requires endurance, pain tolerance or courage - chi sao will easily vanquish attackers of all sizes and dispositions
- It contains “antigrappling” and “wing chun groundfighting” which will cause grapplers of all sizes, styles and skill levels to quiver with fright at its mere mention (hah!)
- It allows unlimited opportunity to bicker with fellow practitioners on the internet
- It has the best marketers and salesmen out there
I practice wing chun for the ladies!
While my academy has a healthy female attendance and a more than a few marriages and relationships were forged here, IMO the odds are pretty much against. The numbers are still about 8 or 10 to 1.
From what I’ve seen, by far the best activity to meet women in the modern age is yoga. There’s a school across the lane from us we can see through the windows, and a class is underway when I train BJJ in the mornings. Maybe 3 guys in a class of 20 skimpily dressed women, while I’m rolling around on the floor with a bunch of sweaty guys and a couple of gals in gis … I’ve been married nearly 20 years, but if I were single I’d be enrolling for yoga yesterday.
Hahahaha anerlich-
I was being sarcastic. I hear ya bout yoga and infact I am interested in taking yoga but my kung fu training comes first. Plus here in a few months I am going to have a new training regime and start cross training in another style. That will take even more time away from yoga.
However, your point is seens and well taken. I will totally agree with you on this one.
That brought back images of John Ritter (In three’s company!) when he was participating in a all women cardio class!.. Chrissy was something in those days!
(Only guys my age can remember that!):rolleyes:
Back to topic…
Why the hll the Karate class before I teach is full of women and I have only a few in my Wing Chun class?..:mad: Is it the “Tae Bo” factor?..
Sometimes ,I think getting a nice but is more important than learning something valuable for a majority of women.
Maybe because it is their major weapon against us guys!..
Originally posted by Phenix
[B]
IE: Yee Chuan never believe in Grapping. WXZ prove again and again even toward the Olympic Judoka. They cannot grap him. He bounce them away at the point of touching WXZ. [/B]
He died in 1963. Judo wasn’t an Olympic sport until 1964.
He died in 1963. Judo wasn’t an Olympic sport until 1964.
LOL.
American judoka Mark Tripp tells a story about working out with Chen Man-Ching on a visit to Taiwan. Chen was boosted big time by Robert W Smith, among others, as having almost superhuman powers.
Tripp worked out with Chen and uprooted him fairly drastically. On looking around, it appeared that Chen’s obvious failure hadn’t even REGISTERED with the large audience, caught in their own cognitive dissonance and hero worship.
Dare I say that at least SOME of the accounts of past KF warriors may be heavily embellished? Perhaps that is why such feats do not continue into the age of video and a more informed and critical audience?
Did everyone see that clip on bullshido of the fatboy “Dim Mak master” and Dillman protege, who could supposedly knock his own students unconscious with and without touching them, but could not duplicate the feats with either the female anchor or even ONE student in a neighbouring Brazilian Jiu Jitsu school?
Check it out, it would be funny if it weren’t so tragic.
many questions about the “all roundness” of wck,but that
bong sao is amazing and i used it after being shown it only
once.and the mighty Fung Siu Ching.[script still available,folks].
r
Originally posted by Edmund
[B]
He died in 1963. Judo wasn’t an Olympic sport until 1964. [/B]
And the record from Yee Chuan recorded:
1940, 6th Dan Judoka , ¤K¥Ð¤@_? who had represented Japan to participate in the 11th Olympic international wrestling competition in 1936; He challenged WXZ . He graps WXZ’s wrist to attack. however, at the instant of contact, he was shocked elivated over ground and bounce toward the wall behind him, then fall to the ground.
Someone wants to check the record of Japanese 1936 olympic paticipant to verify this account? It will be great to find out if WXZ’s people lying.