From what I have seen of wing chun in MMA events, it always gets its ass kicked. Although WT has never been in MMA, I once saw a ‘wing chun gung fu’ guy get his ass whooped in UFC 5. What do people feel the reasons are for Wing chun failing in MMA? And please, keep the ‘they can’t eye gouge’ arguments to a minimum.
Let me guess…
because it’s missing all the stuff from WT?:o
Actually boy, I never said Wt would do any better, just that it has never been in MMA. My post is about ‘general’ wingchun, all branches. Clear? Good.
I believe good wing chun could hold its own in an MMA event if one were to train it properly. You wont get excuses from me like “WC cant use its deadly techniques” or whatever is popular with kungfu types these days. This stuff works you just have to be training properly for that sort of environment. Too many KF, or in this case WC guys half azzing it in their training. those MMA guys really bust their butts to get into these things and so should the WC guys.
Why No Successful Wing Chun Fighters?
Originally posted by red5angel
I believe good wing chun could hold its own in an MMA event if one were to train it properly. You wont get excuses from me like “WC cant use its deadly techniques” or whatever is popular with kungfu types these days. This stuff works you just have to be training properly for that sort of environment. Too many KF, or in this case WC guys half azzing it in their training. those MMA guys really bust their butts to get into these things and so should the WC guys.
MMA competition requires youth and large physical size.
Youngsters don’t seem to last in Wing Chun training because it requires hard work and patience. The immediate gratification isn’t there.
Not many really big, good wing chun practitioners. On the street, in self defense, I’ll take Wing Chun over any other art.
Regards,
Because they aren’t good in MMA matches. You can take a few people and label the rest the same, but my friend that isn’t always the case.
In the end of the day, I make no defense for WC, in fighting there are winners and losers. No arguments here. Perhaps there is a WC fighter who can win in MMA or NHB matches?
Bao
Because Wing Chun is Kung Fu and Kung Fu sucks. High school wrestling beats Kung Fu. A one year boxer, nearsighted and without his glasses would easily defeat any 20-year so called “kung fu master.” “Gracies in Action” clearly demonstrates that all Traditional Martial Arts suck. BJJ is superior.
All Kung Fu guys do is sit around training forms all day and talking about their lineages. There is no sparring in Kung Fu. It’s for aging ex-hippies with mullets.
Another good point
I think this brings out another good point. How many people do you see in your school half-azzing it?? Not trying real hard…not working on their basic stance, their chain punching, etc.
People need to put time and effort into what they want to be good at. I wanted to be the best skateboarder around…I didn’t have the natural ability like a lot of people, but I practised hard, and did ok.
BTW…now I have bad knees!! Laf.
Couch
AFAIK WC hasn’t got its a$$ kicked much in MMA events at all. There have been very few entries by “WC” fighters. Only two in the UFC from memory, neither of whom trained for any real length of time in the system by all accounts.
Both were also pretty much disowned by the WC community after their losses, though no doubt if they had won the WC/T marketing machines would have gone into overdrive about how awesome WC was and how we won the UFC, blah blah de blah, and the bandwagon jumping would be the stuff of legend.
But it never happened. The a$$-kicking rate on the very small sample is pretty much 100%.
If, like the WT marketing machine says, WC/T is not for competition but only lethal combat, then it’s unlikely to ever get tested in the sporting arena. I choose WT because UltimateFighter (a funny name for a WT person whose lineage does not sportfight, the competition pics in Dynamic WT notwithstanding) claims that it is the best.
That way grandiose claims can be made without being tested - not saying that has happened a lot, only that it can. Reputations can be built without proof of skill being required. Ditto re frequency. Pro fighters generally do not have the cult of personality around them that some high ranking CMA’s cultivate, the occasional loss in the ring, while no disgrace, tends to keep their and their supporters’ heads out of the clouds.
A number of WC people (Anthony Arnett and Rick Spain from my lineage to name just two) have done very well in full contact competition. So it’s not like you can’t adapt WC for competition. But perhaps WC/T is poorly suited to MMA rules.
We nearly had a match between Emin and Royce a while ago. Might have been interesting, but it never happened. Both can continue to talk tough.
Let’s remember it’s mixed MA not pure MA
A pure Wing Chun guy can’t win in a MMA tournament,just like a pure Muay Thai Boxer can’t,Western Boxers can’t,Pure Westlers can’t win anymore,not even a pure BJJ guy could win in MMA tournaments.
When was the last time Royce Gracie won a MMA event.
Why is Royce taking Muay Thai classes, if BJJ is so superior!!!
If Wing Chun is bad, so is Thai boxing,Western boxing,and pure grappling.
Hey folks,
I’m surprised you have said this about Wing Chun, looking at my own lineage, (Wiliam Cheung) you can see prime examples of tournament fighters, primarily Sifu Anthony Arnett.
http://www.templewingchun.com/new/twcbios.html
If I also remember correctly, Sifu Joe Sayah had a long and successful shoot fighting career as well (although I have no reference for that, I’m pulling it out of my head… I’m pretty sure I am right)
I’m sure that if you dig around in your own lineage for fighters that have fought either tournament, or professionally, you won’t have to dig very hard.
Methinks you forget the ‘humble’ part of being a martial artist. Most of these people don’t feel the need to proclaim it to the world, hence most of the time, you don’t hear about them.
Never the less - do a martial art because you believe in it. Not because you’ve seen heaps of other people doing it. 
Neurotic
fa_jing HATES KUNG FU OR WHAT?
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT! ALL KUNG FU SUCKS? WHAT IS THE STYLE OF YOUR CHOICE? AND WHAT IS THIS TALK OF SPARRING? WING CHUN PRACTITIONERS CONSTANTLY DRILL THEY’RE TECHNIQUES WITH A FELLOW PRACTITIONER. THAT IS WHAT I SPENT MOST OF MY TIME IN CLASS DOING. YOU LEARN SIMULTANEOUS DEFENSE AND ATTACK TECHNIQUES, AND THEN DRILL THEM OVER AND OVER WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE. WE SPENT NO TIME DISCUSSING LINEAGE, MEDITATING, STRETCHING ECT… WE SIMPLY LEARNED AND PRACTICED CONSTANTLY FOR ABOUT A 2 AND HALF HR CLASS PERIOD! ITS STRAIGHT UP, DIRECT TO THE POINT PRACTICAL SELF DEFENSE AND ITS MEANT TO GET THE JOB DOWN AND GET OUT AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. I TOOK THREE OTHER STYLES PRIOR TO IT AND REALIZED THEY WERE USLESS AFTER STUDYING WING CHUN! WING CHUN TEACHES HOW TO DEFEND AGAINST ANY STYLE, INCLUDING BOXING, WRESTLING OR ANY GRAPPLING FOR THAT MATTER! I THINK YOU HAVE BEEN WATCHING TO MUCH MIGHTY MORPHIN POWER RANGERS! :eek:
Clint,
I think fa jing was joking.
AND TURN YOUR CAPS LOCK OFF.
Why does wing chun get its azz kicked you ask?
Those so called wing chun guys in ufc that most know of werent wing chun guys.
I know of one guy from what lineage i forgot fought rickson gracie and got pounded.Guess what gracie did? took him to the ground.
Remember the boxer who faught royce in early ufc? how did he do?
He had no ground experience and he got his ass handed to him. But you dont see people poking fun at boxing.
Wing Chun is a stand up art. It wont win on the ground alone when your fighting a good grappler with experience.
People need to learn this.
Infact, i think the only reason kung fu got a bad name is ignorance.I know it works.I know its great stuff.
They guy you are thinking of was pretty much just a big stooge with something like one year of WC training. He was a representative of WC like I’M a representative of ballet.
MMA competition requires youth and large physical size.
I’ll remember this the next time I watch my 135 lbs friend compete, or my 145 lbs 35 year old friend compete. Or my 49 year old training partner who is about 150 and tough as nails (looks like nothing, but watch out!) take out men twice his size in sparring (I will admit he does not compete in MMA, but the SOB SHOULD!)
Youngsters don’t seem to last in Wing Chun training because it requires hard work and patience. The immediate gratification isn’t there.
This might be true, but the inference is that somehow MMA is more immediately gratifying and easier. MMA takes TONS of hard work and patience. It’s physically and mentally gruelling. Day in and day out you have your ass handed to you by people who are better than you (for those of you that seem to think ‘ego’ is the driving factor, the people who get better are the ones that swallow their pride), and you drill and drill and drill and drill until you should be bored stiff. MMA guys probably just aren’t attracted to WC much, in the same way that WC isn’t attracted to MMA much (vast generalization on both accounts).
Good training is good training regardless of style and it all has its share of blood, injury and sacrifice.
Merry…I wonder how many of those top mma fighters have a year training.
Kung Fu people like that man need to understand you need to put in alot of effort and crosstrain.
asd
Wasnt that guy steve faulkner a legitimate WC practioner? Please correct me if im wrong because i dont know alot about wing chun.
Wing Chun deserves no excuses in MMA. If it looses, it is becasue a/. The way wing chun fighters train is not good enough.
or b/. Becasue the system doesn’t work very well in a fight.
Lets all hope that the answer is a. I believe that it is a bit of both, but mainly a/. (a lack of competetive sparring). having said that, Wing Chun has flaws as do many styles. And these are exposed in the ring/cage.
BTW, for the guy who asked why I am called ultimate fighter, it is becausue my main style is Judo, which I have trained for a number of years. I believe in crosstraining. Wing Chun/Tsun was really only designed for standup.
Yeah, I was kidding. 
My teacher was successful in MMA/NHB competitions, although I don’t believe he competed on the national level. He is not a traditionalist, but Wing Chun does form the basis for his fighting style. If you want to do comps you should be able to handle yourself with the grappling and conditioning.
Originally posted by UltimateFighter
…Becasue the system doesn’t work very well in a fight…Lets all hope that the answer is a. I believe that it is a bit of both, but mainly a/. (a lack of competetive sparring). having said that, Wing Chun has flaws as do many styles. And these are exposed in the ring/cage.
Wondering what you think the ‘flaws’ are I am aware of no ‘flaws’ in the system. I have yet to see anyone doing real Wing Chun in any of these events.
Wing Chun indeed was designed as a stand up system - this is not a flaw it is simply a matter of survival. On the ‘battle field’ of old and the subway of today rolling around on the ground is not advisable. A good Wing Chun man will issue energy and control his opponent be him a kicker, grappler or whatever else.
Jim