I’ve noticed some people are here to get other’s goats. In a way, this is justifiable because it exposes one of “your” martial art’s weakness. If you can master the “Goat Getter” technique, you are miles ahead.
And if we can ignore it…it’s even better.
Whippinghand
[QUOTE=duende;994481]I thoght you might of been talking about Whippinghand! I enjoyed his posts too![/QUOTE]
Me too!
joy chaudhuri
My notes on portions of Sanjuro’s post in brackets
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;994452]Here is the issue.
(Let’s see..ok?))
This is a MA forum and this forum in particular is about WC.
(True dat)
People come here to discuss WC and how THEY view WC.
(Some apparently do some apparently don’t)
Its not about right or wrong as much as “my way, your way, they way I was taught” etc.
People need to realize that someone doing something different doesn’t mean they are right and you are wrong, it means they are doing something different.
It doesn’t matter what ANYONE else has done or is doing, it matters what WE can do.
(True dat)
Many arguments start when our precsious bubble is under attack and someone dares to say “prove it”, or “show me” and as MA that shouldn’t happen because MA is ALL in the DOING and very little in the saying/writing.
((There is no “doing” on a forum. There can be different venues where things are “done”))
Yes, it is NOT necessary for every thread to degrade to the point of “MMA vs WC”, but the fact is, at this stage right now, MMA is what ALL other MA are compared to.
((Depends- by whom, where and when and to whom))
Don’t like?
Make a statement like the MA of yesteryears did, Fight to prove you are right.
(Fighting ona forum? just words here. Make a statement? Sure—just dont repeat put downs again and again-gets botinng and becomes noise fast)
Most of us are very content to exchange POV about WC or any other MA we have experience in, without trying to convert the masses to any particular MA.
((Actually there is less exchange- more self adulation))
In the end we are all victims of our experiences and upbring in out chosen MA(s) and as such we have all inherent biasis in favour of what we prefer to do and that is OK, we just have to acknowledge it.
(This ain’t a confessional booth))
My only true issue on this forum and any other is those that DON’T “prove” any of their assertions.[/QUOTE]
((Prove in a written forum?))
((I don’t suggest banning anyone. I do suggest moderator(s) 1. cut out posts with purely personal attacks 2. from time to tome suggest brevity and clarify and avoid repetition 3. and keep posts wc related or comparisons involving wc and point to other forums on mma, street fighting, other arts, the general forum etc. People sign in and sign out on this forum- it’s a traveling caravan-keep the traffic basically moving- censorship is NOT a big issue as Master Killer pointed out- this ain’t a democracy))
joy chaudhuri
One of the ways these problems were handled at another forum was to set a policy of tell us what you do.. Which means essentially not to tell anyone what they do suks, is BS, etc.. So folks could say, well instead of that we do this..
Pretty simple–any derogatory commentary was deleted…or if repeated banning could ensue..
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;994509]((Prove in a written forum?))
((I don’t suggest banning anyone. I do suggest moderator(s) 1. cut out posts with purely personal attacks 2. from time to tome suggest brevity and clarify and avoid repetition 3. and keep posts wc related or comparisons involving wc and point to other forums on mma, street fighting, other arts, the general forum etc. People sign in and sign out on this forum- it’s a traveling caravan-keep the traffic basically moving- censorship is NOT a big issue as Master Killer pointed out- this ain’t a democracy))
joy chaudhuri[/QUOTE]
Thanks for your views on my post Joy.
In the southern forum, where I moderate, I do just that.
Any PERSONAL attacks are deleted and posters are warned, but that is MY moderating style and not every ones.
I will sometimes remove PARTS of a post and leave the others intact because we can all make a point without calling someone an idiot, or whatnot.
Of course one can just IGNORE the posters that one feels contribute NOTHING to the discussion.
[QUOTE=YungChun;994549]One of the ways these problems were handled at another forum was to set a policy of tell us what you do.. Which means essentially not to tell anyone what they do suks, is BS, etc.. So folks could say, well instead of that we do this..
Pretty simple–any derogatory commentary was deleted…or if repeated banning could ensue..[/QUOTE]
Oh, boy. So, what you have is a forum where people can put out any sort of nonsense with the assuarance that no one can say anything negative about it. Nothing but group hugs all around. I can see why certain people (pussies?) might really welcome that.
Right.. It’s not enough to tell folks how and what you think good training is, you need to tell them they suk too… Otherwise what’s the fun, right?
Some would say tossing insults from behind the safety of your PC, never putting up, etc, would make one even more of a ***** cat…
If it was up to me I would simply remove any insults or insulting remarks..and warn the poster, then if I had to work too hard deleting I’d ban them…
I think you could go a long way with light moderation. Remove simply direct attack offensive words or modify posts reported. Close threads if they degrade.
The argument back and forth provides a little bit of reality to discussion. Heavily moderated sites like MAP are a snoozefest. Unmoderated sites degrade in content value and have too high of a static to content ratio. A good moderate balance is the goal IMO.
Also to be considered is the fact that in general people have much less of a sense of humor on this forum than most of the other forums (like the ones with MasterKiller + adjacent jabeeps).
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;994625]Oh, boy. So, what you have is a forum where people can put out any sort of nonsense with the assuarance that no one can say anything negative about it. Nothing but group hugs all around. I can see why certain people (pussies?) might really welcome that.[/QUOTE]
don’t worry t. the danger of someone wanting to hug you is extremely low.
So, what you have is a forum where people can put out any sort of nonsense with the assuarance that no one can say anything negative about it.
Don’t worry, T, there will undoubtedly continue to be plenty of non-pussies to say negative things about your nonsense.
See, now THAT’s what I’m talkin’ 'bout. 
That’s funny…
[QUOTE=Ultimatewingchun;994328]JP wasn’t always so reasonable…he’s gotten better through the years…LOL 
[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah? Up yours!
[QUOTE=hunt1;994469] JP after rereading I understand what you are saying. I wasn’t saying anything about HFY just pointing out that the HFY discussions from 5 or 6 years ago or so was the most egregious example of what I was referring too. May have been even further back than that. Again the time when negative forum developed is when the most vocal WCML folks migrated here.[/QUOTE]
hey, no worries!
I was part of some of the more ‘interesting’ HFY-related discussions here too (probably not the early ones you speak of). Some of them with Victor I quoted above. Even if we had differing views, I personally hold no grudges. And yeah, some of those threads got heated. But it’s all just talk really, and even the more ‘colorful’ threads still have a lot of good information and views in them.
Besides that, I’m just one guy representing my own views based on my own experience. And, I surely am not ‘HFY’, just a guy who studies it, if you get where I’m coming from
(BTW, I also like your posts here)
Hello,
It may have been WhippingHand who is being referred to as having been banned. I do not recall the specifics, but I do know that they were given ample opportunity to change and banning was a last resort. Also, the decision was not soley mine although I did feel it was approriate at the time. Again, I do not recall the specifics.
I usually try to contact members and bring things to their attention and give a chance to change or present their pov prior to taking action. Sometimes this works and sometimes it does not.
Also, as I do not have the luxury of posting here all of the time nor do I have the time to devote to the forum as much time as I may like, I depend a lot on members contacting me with concerns or complaints regarding posting. Sometimes I concur that there is an issue and other times I do not, the member is always welcome to contact me directly to discuss or go to Gene or Sandman2 if they like.
To be honest, I rarely even have time to read through the majority of posts here anymore. Again, unless something is blatant or brought to my attention it may slip by for a bit. The alternative is to crack down harder and make everything adhere to a more stringent set of parameters but of course not everyone would be happy with that approach either.
Bottom line is that not everyone will be happy no matter what happens. Also, many times people complain because something upsets them but when looked at as a whole the post may not be that offensive as a whole to most here.
FWIW, I do think we have some very knowledgeable and skilled people here with lots to share. And while T is right in stating that not agreeing with someone can lead to a more fruitful discussion, the approach of my way is the only way and all others suck is rarely of benefit to anyone, IMHO.
Si Hing 73
Dave- I appreciate your time and it.s a thankless task. But your written statement sounds very much like the status quo. Of course, I could be wrong.
Good wishes and bye for now.
joy chaudhuri
well when i first came here its was for wing chun knowledge from people who been doing it longer than me. but recently its becoming my favorite soap opera. with all the back and forth. so now its getting harder for a newbe like me to get those golden nuggets from you guys.
just how i feel.
[QUOTE=weakstudent;994853]well when i first came here its was for wing chun knowledge from people who been doing it longer than me. but recently its becoming my favorite soap opera. with all the back and forth. so now its getting harder for a newbe like me to get those golden nuggets from you guys.
just how i feel.[/QUOTE]
Be happy to share what I can.. Come on over. I live 20minutes away in New Rochelle…
[QUOTE=YungChun;994854]Be happy to share what I can.. Come on over. I live 20minutes away in New Rochelle… :)[/QUOTE]
really man thats great. but it snowing like crazy LOL. but thanks im always looking to get better. and i was told that the only way to get good at wing chun is to do it.
i will try to meet up with you soon as the weather is better.
No prob…
Always looking for new workout buddies… Just PM or email me..