Originally posted by Knifefighter
Boxing has no round punches.
LOL, good defence Dale..
All boxing punches move in a streight line directly from where the hand is before the punch is launched.
WC assumes you are going to meet resistance along the way to scoring your stikes. Because of this, it has a variety of techniques such as paks and lops designed to overcome this resistance.
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WC assumes you are going to meet resistance along the way to scoring your stikes. Because of this, it has a variety of techniques such as paks and lops designed to overcome this resistance.
i can see why somebody might think this is the case, 'cause the deformations/interceptions are taught from the very start but i was always taught that your hands intent is to strike the opponent, only if you fail do the other bits n pieces come into play.
hitting the other person is paramount.
any other strategys are likely to have been introduced due to legal reasons in self defence classes etc.. where you may not want to be seen as the aggressor. thats the thing, wingchun is frequently marketed as a way to protect yourself, it lacks the sport aspect where aggression is more acceptable and restraining people is pointless.
alot of the reason wingchun has become so watered down is due to the way its been marketed and castrated for the average person who doesnt like to take one in the face.
its core IMO is effective but as the many people on here say its down to how you train it.
peace
“SIMPLE,DIRECT, and EFFICENT.
Grappling doesnt fall under ANY of these terms…”
GRAPPLING doesn’t fall under ANY of those terms?!
Nonsense.
Grappling is just as simple, direct, and efficient in the REALM THAT IT COVERS as Wing Chun is in the realm that it works.
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As for straight vs. round punches:
It depends on the angle and the distance…sometimes it’s wiser to throw a round punch.
BUT…if I could only take one punch with me to the desert island - it would be the straight punch.
It travels in a shorter line to it’s target and therefore gets there faster.
To say that there is no such thing as a round punch is not true - that’s just a play on semantics.
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As for assuming that you’re going to meet resistance along the way:
THAT’S A WISE ASSUMPTION…because quite often you will - so it’s best to be prepared for it.
If you throw strikes that find their target without meeting any obstacles first…wonderful.
But don’t count on that happening all the time - because it certainly won’t.
Hence the logic and brillance of the Wing Chun infight contact limb-to-limb strategy and technique.
Which can upon occasion actually provide a cleaner, safer, and more efficient route to a grab and grapple scenario, I might add.
Originally posted by Ultimatewingchun
To say that there is no such thing as a round punch is not true - that’s just a play on semantics.
No, it’s not. Hooks and uppercuts in boxing begin from the side of the target and below the target respectively. The trajectory of the punch is a straight line with the elbow bent and the body rotating or lifting upwards. If the punch is being thrown in a roundish motion, it is not being done correctly.
Hooks and uppercuts often begin closer to their targets. Because they do travel in a straight line, they will often times reach their targets faster than those thrown straight down the middle. Hooks and uppercuts also often have more power than “down the middle” punches because of the added body torque.
Originally posted by Ultimatewingchun
Which can upon occasion actually provide a cleaner, safer, and more efficient route to a grab and grapple scenario, I might add.
This is true. I often use an outside pak sao type technique when I want to close into clinch range.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ultimatewingchun
[B]“SIMPLE,DIRECT, and EFFICENT.
Grappling doesnt fall under ANY of these terms…”
GRAPPLING doesn’t fall under ANY of those terms?!
Nonsense.
Grappling is just as simple, direct, and efficient in the REALM THAT IT COVERS as Wing Chun is in the realm that it works.
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Victor please…
WHat is direct about facing off with someone and shoting in on them, then taking them down to the ground, wrestle for a good position and then use a submission tech? How can this be simple? How can this be efficent?
Why not deflect energy and attack. It would take less time.
“Why not deflect energy and attack. It would take less time.”
BECAUSE it’s not always possible to simply deflect energy and attack.
I’ll give just one example of what I mean:
Energy has to be moving in order to deflect it.
What if it’s a static energy coming at you (ie.- the opponent’s arms are tensed, out in front of his body while in a protective position defending his face, head, and center - and his arm muscles are in contraction)…and he’s 6 inches taller and 70 lbs. heavier than you?
Get the picture so far?
What are you going to deflect?
As he charges at you for an upper body grab and takedown?
In a small space?
In-between a bar stool and the bar?
LOL.