Originally posted by chen zhen
[B]I mean, it’s so popular that the level of the training has been lowered considerably.
edit: imo, that is. [/B]
Understood.
To clarify my comment, the fact that people are getting what they want should explain quite a lot about what is being sold. It sounds highly symbiotic. Not all of us are the right kinds of students for that kind of school, but obviously there are plenty of people who are.
FWIW, I strongly concur with zultan - I would not advise letting distance be the constraint in finding and working with the teacher who is right for you. The time, effort and expense of training is far too big an investment to make simply on the basis of convenience. IMHO of course, though I speak from experience on this one.
Originally posted by chen zhen btw, feedback from jesper & hendrik would be great, they’re danish WT students.
Don’t you know I makes millions with WCK?
I sell T-****.
Secret Instruction VCD.
Secret WCK making millions instructors book?
See, it is similar to Mc Dornad, But hey your kids love them, beside the Burger, kids has new toys, and great friench fries. …
By the way, I am comming out with a new Book Title:
WCK’s Quick Start Manual. This Manual be able you to understand yourself so well that spending 2 weeks with it you will master 4 years of experience and here from learning from any lineage will be easy. the price of the Manual is 500 USD to own.
see 500 is cheap. say you train with a sifu and have to pay 80 bucks per month. a year will be 960, and 4 years will be more then 3700. so to have 4 years in 2 weeks just for 500usd. cheap cheap. beside you have my personal couching. Where can you have a sifu with directly of 30 years experience to coach you personally. And more over, if you asked some GM about the thing you learn in the manual, I guaratee that they don’t even know. Because it is a 30 years research.
So, convince enought? just 500USD. by the way, it is 16 weeks back order from the day it will be release..
First up I dont train in the WT center anymore, but here goes.
About the center; The philosify is that they wanted a place to hang around, not just train and go home.
WAAAAYYYY back when I started we had a little ****ty training hall you had to pass two backyards, a nonexistance door and some dangerous stairwells to get into. moreover We had to share it with some dancers who trained before and after us. That meant we could train max 3 times a week.
We then moved to a bigger place, but still had to share it with other clubs, and in the meanwhile WT really took of in Denmark, so pretty fast there was simply not enough room. I still remember many times you would have to duck when some staff would come flying through the air because people would be doing weapons training in one end and Chi sao in the other (hey good for developing reflexes btw).
We then got the posibility to move into a huge location, where we would not be disturbed all the time.
That was about the time that management decided that since we had all this space they should offer other forms of training and therefore they decided to make room for weight training and Airobics. They also decided that it would be cool to have a place to hang out after training so they even made room for a small cafe where you could sit and talk with your friends or watch vidios. All in all I fail to see whats so bad about offering these kinds of things ? especially when its all included in the price.
Moreover in the center you have the posibility to train from 0700 to 2130 5 days a week and from 1000 to 1700 on weekends. I dare you to tell me another martial art school in denmark where you can do that.
As for the teachers telling how WT is the best, well marketing stuff is a part of all organisations. Just close your ears to that bs. many people do, and still train up there.
Lastly (since im out of time) about the skill level of the students. Well of cause they are not that good, thats why they are students after all. If you want to judge how good you can become go A few rounds with one of the instructors. There are 15-20 or so up there so its not that difficult to find one since you will always find at least a few working not matter the hour
Thank you jesper. It’s better to hear from someone that actually know the place.
It’s also cool that they have training everyday, so that you can get there to train the days you want. But with the skill-level, I meant that it’s (maybe..?) lower than what you would expect students to be after the period they have actually trained. But that have been the case with most styles I have been exposed to here, so I can’t really use it as a an argument.:rolleyes:
Thanks for all the good responses, but I have actually become more confused about it now.
I don’t know what to think about it anymore, really.
Good post, jesper. Some of the amenities sound Utopian enough for a little envy. No doubt many of the basement, garage and park groups would enjoy such luxuries just as the people of that particular school enjoy theirs. There is always a dilemma, and as Hendrik suggests no single solution to suit the fine balances of each and every unique taste.
The DEWTO, from what I’ve heard, is the last group anyone should be taking shots at. The senior, serious folks have extraordinary skills from what I understand, and very friendly in sharing them. They have a good commercial concern going, with enough students running through to keep the place operating, allow a number of instructors to train WT for a living, and maintain an active full-contact program.
The 5-day summer camps are a couple of hundred bucks, room and board, included- cheaper training you’ll rarely find.
Teaching is taken very seriously there- the instructors receive weekly or bi-weekly training and feedback on teaching.
A bunch of those folks work the door, and more technical guys in need of cash are sometimes shuttled into such gigs for financial and experiential reasons.
Basically, as a commercial martial arts center, the DEWTO does a whole lot right.
If you want to be a full-time martial artist your choices are to be independantly wealthy, run a school as a successful business, or be one of the 50 to 100 people on the planet who pay the bills as pro fighters for a couple of years.
They chose option #2, and are doing it pretty well.
No not all WT facilities are like this. Sounds humorous to me that a school that teaches Martial Arts would be set up that way. They should at least have the waitress’ in the official WT tank top.
I wouldn’t train a place like that, but I know that my Sifu wouldn’t teach in a place like that. I like WingTsun and that’s why I have stayed with it, versus changing to another school in the area. There are differences between WT and WC and VT, but not that many. The underlying principles are (or should be) the same, even if it’s not “Yip Man” Wing Chun. I would suggest to try a different school in the area. If you don’t feel good about a particular school don’t join, your gut instincts are usually correct when first impressions are all you have to judge something with.
For the record: I don’t have a problem with a school that wants to be setup like a health club (juice bar, arobics class, etc), I just wouldn’t train there.
i wouldn’t mind it, as long as i got deals on shakes and smoothies for being an instructor. :o
i can’t decide if i would like such a kwoon or not. it has it’s blatant advantages, but it somewhat goes against the grain of the typical kwoon. however, sticking with one thing because it’s merely tradition isn’t necessarily a good thing (i know, saying that in a WC forum is asking for ribshots ;)) – sticking with what you’re more comfortable with and going to get the greatest benefits from is the best idea.
jesper – thanks for the background info on the school.
Originally posted by yuanfen
[B]The students search for a good teacher and then learning is an important part of a good kung fu journey. IMO you smile and ignore the rest.
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I once went on a journey across China with a Pig and and a Buddhist Monk, searching for the truth about Wing Chun. All I got was this stupid t-shirt.
Remove that crown on your forehead, you won’t be deluded into thinking that all you get is the T shirt. Ha! Ha! The way I look at this is you can never be enlightened of the WC truth if it did not exist already in your mind. Go West, young man!
RTB- ha ha— ever seen wild pigs or the Arizona desert versions
(javelinas)-
they aint pork rinds. They dont see too well- but they attack the center line.
And the monk accompaying Alpha Dog cudda been a Daoist saboteur- protecting the metabolic transformation chambers along the way!The wrong kind of no mind. Interested in his own longevity and alchemy,
No wonder AD got only a T shirt to show for his troubles.
You gotta have the right pig and the right monk on your journey!!
Like Damo you need a staff as well. The right kind.
Yes- if you get the coarse hairs out of your teeth!
Maybe. generally I run from them. A friend had to
have his vet sew up his beagle’s side which was ripped open by a javelina way into the Superstition mountain area- way east in the valley…past Apache Junction. There is the legend of the Lost Durchman’s mine with gold hidden there.!!
I noticed that they have now resigned from the EWTO. Someone tried to post about it on the UK WT site but got kicked off, does anyone know why they left? On the website it gives some very unclear statements but not the whole story.
