Just curious, if you had to make a wish, what kind of martial arts website would you wish for the most? What kind of content or features would you want to see most? (Or something you aren’t seeing at the moment?)
What I used to want most was a comprehensive listing of references, techniques, etc. from different martial arts.
The problem is … since I already practice a MA, I don’t really want to study any other MAs anymore, so I kindof don’t want that anymore. I used to want to study other MAs to get ideas like online or from videos, but it’s kindof useless unless you’ve taken a class.
I was thinking of starting a website, and documenting my baguazhang (I actually already started on a site, but only have one page) … BUT that competes in a way directly with my instructor’s book. I don’t think I could do as well as he has done in the book, though, and I could cover other topics, though. I don’t plan on putting anything from the book on the site.
I’d like to see progression from form to fight stuff more.
so many people show solo forms stuff and that’s ok, but almost no one shows any of those techs being used in drills or in fights.
I’d like to see someone do a form, extrapolate a part and demonstrate it’s use in a drill and then show where it is used in a fight by taking it out of the clip.
this way, people can see the difference between a text book move as it is performed in a set and how the actual move looks when used for real.
for the most part, solo forms work vids are weak as far as practical use instruction goes.
I don’t know why, but it is the classical arts that get cut off before the finish in this respect. NOt to mention all the garbage and convolution that comes with the “we learn not to fight” stuff. But that’s a whole other thing worth it’s own thread. lol
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;945059]
I don’t know why, but it is the classical arts that get cut off before the finish in this respect. NOt to mention all the garbage and convolution that comes with the “we learn not to fight” stuff. But that’s a whole other thing worth it’s own thread. lol[/QUOTE]
I think it’s because they don’t trust people to learn the techniques until late in the training cycle.
My bagua instructor spent like 4+ years putting me off learning apps and the entire time I got really annoyed because I wasn’t learning to use the stuff. He kept saying that people didn’t learn the apps until the end.
Then, in the last year or so, he dumped a TON of apps on me and they were really good – practical stuff, no fluffy stuff at all.
BUT … if I had gone out and hit somebody or caused trouble, it would have led to a bad reputation for his school, etc., so that’s probably part of the reason.
Anyway, IMHO very few westerners have actually learned the apps to the Chinese forms, which is why there are so few apps taught. But once you have apps, drilling them with other people is a problem if you study different MAs, etc., because most Americans expect a student->teacher relationship or dominant->submissive type relationship and it seems to lead to arguments in training.
[QUOTE=andyhaas;945068]I think it’s because they don’t trust people to learn the techniques until late in the training cycle.
My bagua instructor spent like 4+ years putting me off learning apps and the entire time I got really annoyed because I wasn’t learning to use the stuff. He kept saying that people didn’t learn the apps until the end.
Then, in the last year or so, he dumped a TON of apps on me and they were really good – practical stuff, no fluffy stuff at all.
BUT … if I had gone out and hit somebody or caused trouble, it would have led to a bad reputation for his school, etc., so that’s probably part of the reason.
Anyway, IMHO very few westerners have actually learned the apps to the Chinese forms, which is why there are so few apps taught. But once you have apps, drilling them with other people is a problem if you study different MAs, etc., because most Americans expect a student->teacher relationship or dominant->submissive type relationship and it seems to lead to arguments in training.[/QUOTE]
Let me get this straight, if you go out and use your martial arts successfully that would shed bad light on your martial arts school how?
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;945071]Let me get this straight, if you go out and use your martial arts successfully that would shed bad light on your martial arts school how?[/QUOTE]
Well, how can I put it … going out and fighting and starting trouble = bad in general. Sometimes teachers check out the character of the students. If the student go out and start fights and get into trouble it could be bad for the school in terms of reputation.
[QUOTE=andyhaas;945075]Well, how can I put it … going out and fighting and starting trouble = bad in general. Sometimes teachers check out the character of the students. If the student go out and start fights and get into trouble it could be bad for the school in terms of reputation.[/QUOTE]
I think more often than not it’s bad for the school reputation if the students keep getting their asses whooped. lol.
I don’t need a character reference in a boxing gym, why should i have to worry about it in a kungfu school?
most of these mechanisms are face saving game nonsense. there are a lot of classical martial arts teachers out there in other words who couldn’t “fight” there way out of a wet paper bag, hence all these mechanisms to ensure that nobody actually finds that out.
Call me a barbarian if you will, but the face saving game is for sissies.
bewbies!!!
[QUOTE=Oso;945081]bewbies!!![/QUOTE]
**** you, you keep stealing my thunder oso! :mad:
i had this friend who studied olympic tkd. at one point there was an imported teacher that came over from korea. the guy was a champ. he took over training my buddy, because he had a competition coming up (which he did take gold in) part of that new teachers advice was to get in street fights. which my friend did.
good or bad?
[QUOTE=Lucas;945092]**** you, you keep stealing my thunder oso! :mad:
i had this friend who studied olympic tkd. at one point there was an imported teacher that came over from korea. the guy was a champ. he took over training my buddy, because he had a competition coming up (which he did take gold in) part of that new teachers advice was to get in street fights. which my friend did.
good or bad?[/QUOTE]
i don’t want anyone’s thunder…just the bewbies!!!
[QUOTE=Lucas;945092]**** you, you keep stealing my thunder oso! :mad:
i had this friend who studied olympic tkd. at one point there was an imported teacher that came over from korea. the guy was a champ. he took over training my buddy, because he had a competition coming up (which he did take gold in) part of that new teachers advice was to get in street fights. which my friend did.
good or bad?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, very bad.
More video clips
I would like to see more information about the various schools. Maybe each month they could take a major city/area and list the all the various schools there. Also don’t judge the school’s quality but answer such questions as:
What is taught
Fitness level required for membership
Fighting or forms orientated
Kid friendly
Cost, locations…things like that
Kung fu or qi gong for children
this is a big area and huge “market”
so my son is going to local chinese summer school,
he enrolled 3-4 grade chinese, 3-4 grade math, 3-4 grade english reading and writing, guess what
for physical education,
basket ball, volley ball, soccer and kung fu.
–
my point is that more open discussions about teaching and learning for different age group of people.
such as so and so for senior,
so and so for kids
so and so for adult combat sport/ring
You know, just talking about a little marketing here…
What a wonderful idea it would be if you had a senior KF program. Maybe 60+ for people who are in moderately good shape that have never taken MA.
I think in a big area this might just catch on. So many older people out there are afraid of the rigorious classes with the 20 somethings.
[QUOTE=BoulderDawg;945288]You know, just talking about a little marketing here…
What a wonderful idea it would be if you had a senior KF program. Maybe 60+ for people who are in moderately good shape that have never taken MA.
I think in a big area this might just catch on. So many older people out there are afraid of the rigorious classes with the 20 somethings.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, programs for seniors are different. I attended a class once that was mixed out of a community college and the instructor was gone (his wife died in a car crash just a couple of days before) so one of his seniors was teaching. He had put us through the ringer on the first day – it was intense even for somebody like me who had prior training …
At the end of the class a lady who was at least 50+ was complaining to me about pain, and complained to the school … the class was canceled for the quarter because the seniors weren’t supposed to be teaching.
I wish there is a website that talking about
- general combat strategy,
- how to defense/counter a certain move?
- how to defense/counter that defense/counter?
- how to train a certain skill?
- how to enhance a certain skill?
- …
instead of talking about
- my style is better than your style.
- Joe Smith is fake.
- Should I tuck my tail bone or not?
- How can I make my Qi flow smoothly?
- Where can I get a cheap silk pyjama?
- Did Chang San-Fen really exist?
- …
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;945059]I’d like to see progression from form to fight stuff more.
so many people show solo forms stuff and that’s ok, but almost no one shows any of those techs being used in drills or in fights.
I’d like to see someone do a form, extrapolate a part and demonstrate it’s use in a drill and then show where it is used in a fight by taking it out of the clip.
this way, people can see the difference between a text book move as it is performed in a set and how the actual move looks when used for real.
for the most part, solo forms work vids are weak as far as practical use instruction goes.
I don’t know why, but it is the classical arts that get cut off before the finish in this respect. NOt to mention all the garbage and convolution that comes with the “we learn not to fight” stuff. But that’s a whole other thing worth it’s own thread. lol[/QUOTE]
Good point David, I agree 100%. Ark Wong always explained " it is better to learn one form and how to use it than to learn many forms without knowing how to use the moves " I am with you on this one David, let me know if you want to do this and let’s see how many others join in.
[QUOTE=BoulderDawg;945288]You know, just talking about a little marketing here…
What a wonderful idea it would be if you had a senior KF program. Maybe 60+ for people who are in moderately good shape that have never taken MA.
I think in a big area this might just catch on. So many older people out there are afraid of the rigorious classes with the 20 somethings.[/QUOTE]
Teaching Seniors has been going on for decades, Seniors are not trained the same as young people. It takes patience and experience to teach older folks, mixing them with young people is not a good idea.
Senior Centers welcome these programs, give it a try.