[QUOTE=David Jamieson;945059]I’d like to see progression from form to fight stuff more.
so many people show solo forms stuff and that’s ok, but almost no one shows any of those techs being used in drills or in fights.
I’d like to see someone do a form, extrapolate a part and demonstrate it’s use in a drill and then show where it is used in a fight by taking it out of the clip.
this way, people can see the difference between a text book move as it is performed in a set and how the actual move looks when used for real.
for the most part, solo forms work vids are weak as far as practical use instruction goes.
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[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;945408]I wish there is a website that talking about
general combat strategy,
how to defense/counter a certain move?
how to defense/counter that defense/counter?
how to train a certain skill?
how to enhance a certain skill?
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I set up a simple forum on freehostia [B]http://forum.martialtechniques.freehostia.com/smf/[/B] to talk about martial arts techniques in response to what you guy’s said (this is something that I want to talk about a lot as well), if anybody’s interested in going over there.
This is the first forum that I’ve ever set up, so maybe be a little patient with the newbie! LOL
[QUOTE=andyhaas;946120]I set up a simple forum on freehostia [B]http://forum.martialtechniques.freehostia.com/smf/[/B] to talk about martial arts techniques in response to what you guy’s said (this is something that I want to talk about a lot as well), if anybody’s interested in going over there.
This is the first forum that I’ve ever set up, so maybe be a little patient with the newbie! LOL[/QUOTE]
um…why fragment a population that is already consolidated here?
If you want to discuss these topics or share pics and vids, then making threads here is exactly for that purpose as well.
Just be clear in what it is you want to discuss or share and if it gets hijacked, ask a mod to clear out the spunk for you.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;946124]um…why fragment a population that is already consolidated here?
If you want to discuss these topics or share pics and vids, then making threads here is exactly for that purpose as well.
Just be clear in what it is you want to discuss or share and if it gets hijacked, ask a mod to clear out the spunk for you. :)[/QUOTE]
Honestly, it’s just so I can set it up to be modded the way that I want.
I search this board a lot, and have bought a ton of stuff from Martial Arts Mart (it’s one of my favorite stores), but honestly guys like LKFMDC and such who just push their own style and agenda annoy the heck out of me.
[QUOTE=andyhaas;946126]Honestly, it’s just so I can set it up to be modded the way that I want.
I search this board a lot, and have bought a ton of stuff from Martial Arts Mart (it’s one of my favorite stores), but honestly guys like LKFMDC and such who just push their own style and agenda annoy the heck out of me.[/QUOTE]
lol. Ignore him! He’s not gonna stop.
You have that feature here.
But to be fair, Dave is aggressive and pushy, but he’s also correct about a great deal of his observations and to be fair, he’s in the game everyday, running a school, that trains fighters and he comes from a trad background, and sees all sorts come and go.
He’s not ruminating, he’s recounting things that have actually happened for the most part.
So, don’t let his jerk like attitudes and behaviour irk you too much. lol, you’ll probably take away one or two things you can use!
don’t confuse this statement with me defending dave either. I’m just sayin…
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So, don’t let his jerk like attitudes and behaviour irk you too much. lol, you’ll probably take away one or two things you can use!
don’t confuse this statement with me defending dave either. I’m just sayin… :)[/QUOTE]
No offense, but what he’s teaching is just IMHO like he says, sanda or MMA kung fu or whatever. Put on the puffy gloves, outlaw KF techniques, don’t use KF techniques and you just got kickboxing or kickboxing with some grappling, no offense.
Ain’t saying I couldn’t use more kickboxing or grappling practice, but tired of him always promoting his stuff is better than others. Ain’t saying his stuff is bad or anything, just saying IMHO he shouldn’t pound on other people.
[QUOTE=andyhaas;946140]No offense, but what he’s teaching is just IMHO like he says, sanda or MMA kung fu or whatever. Put on the puffy gloves, outlaw KF techniques, don’t use KF techniques and you just got kickboxing or kickboxing with some grappling, no offense.
Ain’t saying I couldn’t use more kickboxing or grappling practice, but tired of him always promoting his stuff is better than others. Ain’t saying his stuff is bad or anything, just saying IMHO he shouldn’t pound on other people.[/QUOTE]
12 & 14 oz gloves aren’t that puffy and fingerless for sure ain’t.
mma is as close as anyone can get to actually really being in a street fight or any fight with the possibility for sharps, blunts and projectile weapons being removed.
mma training can and does totally include traditional martial arts material.
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mma training can and does totally include traditional martial arts material.[/QUOTE]
No, not really. I mean, it could in that some technique aren’t outlawed, but mostly it just uses kickboxing + grappling. There are a lot of exceptions, which is what I personally look for in standard type MMA fights, along with good fighting, but mostly just kickboxing + grappling.
For a while UFC/Pride stuff focused more on grappling, then striking kindof came back. Now it comes and goes depending upon season / fighter.
What was funny later was the original guy who started the grappling movement kindof in UFC type stuff, Royce Gracie, trying striking later on after striking came back. LOL
[QUOTE=andyhaas;946170]No, not really. I mean, it could in that some technique aren’t outlawed, but mostly it just uses kickboxing + grappling. There are a lot of exceptions, which is what I personally look for in standard type MMA fights, along with good fighting, but mostly just kickboxing + grappling.
For a while UFC/Pride stuff focused more on grappling, then striking kindof came back. Now it comes and goes depending upon season / fighter.
What was funny later was the original guy who started the grappling movement kindof in UFC type stuff, Royce Gracie, trying striking later on after striking came back. LOL[/QUOTE]
yes, yes it really does.
what do you mean by outlawed technique anyway? And why is it a big deal if one or two techniques are outlawed? Is that all your kungfu is good for? one or two techniques? that are dirty probably? Like elbow strikes to the spine? esophagal crushing? which techniques cannot be adpated to punch/kick/throw or lock without being “the deadly”?
I train traditional and all the stuff you can train with another person is everything you can train in mma.
teh throat ripping and eye gouging stuff or knees to the sack are all fine and dandy, but if that’s all that your kungfu is made up of then it’s lacking.
a solid well structured punch or kick is good, a properly executed throw is good, quickly applied locks with pain compliance are good.
with the exception of the dirty moves and weapons use, mma is as close as anyone will get to an actual fight. You cannot get that out of forms training and compliant partner drills which is the bulk of traditional training.
what are well executed strikes/throws/locks done from the base of traditional training, but traditional strikes/throws/locks.
for the sake of being fair, a good portion of techniques you see thrown in a fight were long developed in traditional arts before the conception of the mma rule set was ever even dreamed up.
if i throw a sidekick which was trained through my practice of cma is exectued the same way as a sidekick by a guy trained in mma, what magically seperates the effectivness of that technique?
Just because he didnt train in a ‘traditional asian art’ doesnt mean its not the same technique.
