What the heck is Jing?

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There are plenty of chat and disccusion about Lek and Jing (keng in cantonese) and power generation…etc. and there exist the fantasy parties and ANTI-fantasy parties which argue on this subject.

But what the heck is Jing and Lek ? without a clear understanding what are they there is no way to further discuss about Jing…etc.

Some says CLF has different Jing, WCK has this Jing that keng, Taijin has reel silk Jing…etc does Boxing has Keng too?

For decades now, I really dont see it goes anywhere interm of the understanding of what is Jing. But more and more psuedo science… fantasy parties or ANTI-fantasy parties being create.

But what is Jing? I bet those in the fantasy parties have no clue and also those in the ANTI-fantasy parties have no clue.

Just my personal opinion.

What do you think?

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A psychosomatic sensation and empirically unverifiable truth for some traditional martial artists who believe that a greater depth of understanding comes with using metaphors and symbolism to describe motion.

It is as relevant to combat as ‘aether’ is to the understanding of the universe.

However, one would think a paradigm shift is beginning to occur:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WKtK-ifyasc

Suki Gosal

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;898120]There are plenty of chat and disccusion about Lek and Jing (keng in cantonese) and power generation…etc. and there exist the fantasy parties and ANTI-fantasy parties which argue on this subject.

But what the heck is Jing and Lek ? without a clear understanding what are they there is no way to further discuss about Jing…etc.

Some says CLF has different Jing, WCK has this Jing that keng, Taijin has reel silk Jing…etc does Boxing has Keng too?

For decades now, I really dont see it goes anywhere interm of the understanding of what is Jing. But more and more psuedo science… fantasy parties or ANTI-fantasy parties being create.

But what is Jing? I bet those in the fantasy parties have no clue and also those in the ANTI-fantasy parties have no clue.

Just my personal opinion.

What do you think?[/QUOTE]

To ME, jing in regards to striking (fa jing) is best described as “impulse”.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rreQAfgjo1k :rolleyes:

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Now all is clear !

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Jing is physics at work . . . . when you know what you’re doing works and hurts others.

Boxers have good jing in their hands. Because all they do is punch everyday.

That’s all there is to it. No psuedo-scientific bull****.

When Chinese gets translated . . . . it becomes diluted and retarded.

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[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;898128]To ME, jing in regards to striking (fa jing) is best described as “impulse”.[/QUOTE]

That still doesnt describe or explain what is it isnt it?

The term Jing is a very well define and describe term according to chinese classical literature.

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[QUOTE=Wu Wei Wu;898127]A psychosomatic sensation and empirically unverifiable truth for some traditional martial artists who believe that a greater depth of understanding comes with using metaphors and symbolism to describe motion.

It is as relevant to combat as ‘aether’ is to the understanding of the universe.

However, one would think a paradigm shift is beginning to occur:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WKtK-ifyasc

Suki Gosal[/QUOTE]

These stuffs is exactly confuse the heck out of everyone and doesnt describe or explain what is jing.

think about it , after you what the youtube one get more confuse then more clear about what is going on and what is the sifu trying to show or get across.

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Jing is like good gung fu . . . . you acquire good jing by practicing those same moves thousands of times, hitting ppl with them, hitting bags, dummies, pads, doing drills, shadowboxing, forms . . . . then u develop good jing.

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Jing is physics at work . . . . -------

Isnt you are the one who address WCner uses too much physics?

What the heck is physics at work? everything move is physics at work, everything sit still also physics at work. so what the heck is physics at work?

when you know what you’re doing works and hurts others. ------

That still doesnt explain what is Jing. one can get a 4 x4 and hit others is that JIng?

Boxers have good jing in their hands. Because all they do is punch everyday. ----

Come on, that also doesnt tell what the He@L is Jing.

That’s all there is to it. No psuedo-scientific bull****. ----

That still doesnt says what is jing but it get you more in trouble for nothing is solved.

When Chinese gets translated . . . . it becomes diluted and retarded.-----

That still is an alibi. are you saying the whole western of the earth have no clue of what the heck is a correct translation?

You have all these

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in you post and you dont translate Jing precisely?

You see we need to get real here. are we discussing and talking about something we have no clue? for example WHAT THE HECK is JING?

until we know what is JING what to discuss?

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;898138]That still doesnt describe or explain what is it isnt it?[/QUOTE]

Actually, if you look up Impulse in physics, you will get a great explanation of fa jing.

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[QUOTE=Ernie;898129]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rreQAfgjo1k :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Are you sure you are in the correct discussion forum?

or you are similar to all of us here where no one knows what the heck is one talking about ? so it doesnt matter . hahaha

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[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;898142]Actually, if you look up Impulse in physics, you will get a great explanation of fa jing.[/QUOTE]

Impulse in physics still doesnt said what is jing? impulse can be anything.

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This is impulse too for some

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rreQAfgjo1k

What is Jing and what is Fa Jing? why is it called Fa Jing?

Honestly, these are all the problem — argue for arguement shake. and in conclusion after decades and everyone have the senior or advance title… but little knows what is going on.

and then when one doesnt want to admit one have no clue. Challenge or saying "oh, I can beat you " is used as a brute force substitute to conclude the subject. So, after a few decades no one knows what is going on.

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OK. I give up, Hendrik. Tell us what Jing is.

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[QUOTE=Wu Wei Wu;898127]A psychosomatic sensation and empirically unverifiable truth for some traditional martial artists who believe that a greater depth of understanding comes with using metaphors and symbolism to describe motion.

It is as relevant to combat as ‘aether’ is to the understanding of the universe.

However, one would think a paradigm shift is beginning to occur:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WKtK-ifyasc

Suki Gosal[/QUOTE]

That’s it! I’m giving up Wing Chun! There are too many of these videos around now to deny the truth and power of Chi Blasts.

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giggles

you said jing.

i believe you mean “jin” i guess it sounds like jing. like “fa jin” or power issuance.

but jing is sperm. :slight_smile:

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[QUOTE=David Jamieson;898162]giggles

you said jing.

i believe you mean “jin” i guess it sounds like jing. like “fa jin” or power issuance.

but jing is sperm. :)[/QUOTE]

Does pronounce Jing in a different way tell you what it is? It doesnt right?

what is power issuance? fantasy?

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[QUOTE=couch;898153]That’s it! I’m giving up Wing Chun! There are too many of these videos around now to deny the truth and power of Chi Blasts.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree with you.

These stuffs are mainly just totally confuse everyone.

This cannot be conclude as a Chi blast. There are multiple actions in the video based on different phenomenon. IMHO.

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[QUOTE=couch;898152]OK. I give up, Hendrik. Tell us what Jing is.[/QUOTE]

Ok

Here is what I have heard.
To put it in today’s term.

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JIng is a dynamic vector quantity .

Jing means “Force flow with guidance”. No more no less.

Those who study physics can view Jing as a DIRECTED Force Vector which is flowing in a direction in the 3 D space.

Fa Jing means " Activate the Force Flow with guidance"

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Lek is a static scalar quantity.

Lek simply means power.

3, Jing can be analysed/model with Physics to a certain degree but not all. Why? because The guidance part is alive. That is where the Intention or Yee comes into play. Yee or intention Provide the Guidance or direction for this Force Flow.

4, Thus, Using/applied the Lek (power) and issuing/activating the Jing ( guided Force flow ) are two different things.

IE:

One could hammer a nail with Lek or power. However, Does one activating/issuing a guided force flow into the nail to drive into the wood?

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so what do one do when one practicing SLT? applied power to the movement or to activate/issuing/emitting Force flow guide by the intention?

So where is chi comes into play? and so is the so called Chi blast a chi blast or just a phenomenon cause by the guide force flow? and what about Shen? which in the Kuen kuit says " Yee moves Shen is there" or the moment the Intention is set the Soul / life force is spontaneously arive…

NOThing psuedo science everything is clear and straight forward. But if one have no clue what is what then that is the problem. Not to mention, some go even further to become an ANTI party where ANTI CHi ANTi Jing…etc those are really really missing the point.

So, doesnt the Boxing has Jing? sure, look at the falling step what is that? Jing!

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;898177]

5, so what do one do when one practicing SLT?[/QUOTE]

IMO, all I’m doing with SNT is reprogramming my body structure.