I guess you already did agree sort of. Anyway, happy birthday Count.
endurance in stance training is muscular endurance, not cardiovascular. While it’s true that a real altercation should not last long, there are physiological factors that really tax your system and will have you prematurely gasping for breath. Also, you may be in a situation where you have to run.
“the person with the better structure will be able to get their blows in and end it very violently and quickly. Isn’t that what all of the palm strikes, elbows, knees, kicks, breaks, and throws are for? Now I completely agree that you should be able to take a shot and that counts as endurance, but I doubt anyone could take my, or better yet, a highly trained persons elbow to the jaw or temple.”
That’s what they are for, but does it always work that way? I know you’ve seen martial artists get mauled by untrained fighters before. And what if there are multiple attackers?
as for flavors of endurance, I think he meant more body specific (muscle, aerobic, etc.) not sports specific, however, that does matter. take a distance runner and put him in the ring. He likely will gas early if he’s not a fighter. missing techniques, taking shots, landing strikes, etc. all have effects on the system and distance running doesn’t really acount for it. He may not have the muscle endurance, and in later rounds, his legs will feel weak.
No, I have never seen a real martial artist get beat down by an untrained opponent. I also haven’t seen a whole lot of martial artists really fight. If a martial artist was beaten down by someone unskilled, I doubt that it is because of endurance and more of a lack of skill. I also only brought up stances in regards to previous statements about using no muscular force. You have to use muscular strength in training before you gain the skill to not do so. Since we are talking about skilled fighters, meaning they have gone through the stance, form, application, free fighting and other forms of training, I still say that the only indurance that should matter in a real(trying to take the guys head off) fight is the ability to take a hit. And with a skilled trained fighter throwing many full powered strikes in rapid succession, yes the landed strikes will always do the trick. While your points are correct, they are not relevant to the assumed situation. Remember, everything I am saying is in the context of two nop knotch fighters seriously going at it, and not every fight or fighter.
So endurance is more important than structure, but you have to get that endurance while training with good structure? 
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MonkeySlap Too,
You don’t get what I am saying.
But as one last chance that perhaps may means something…with proper body structure, balance, and relaxation you are using the minimum muscle needed, you are not carrying tension, and so you don’t get tired as fast (say a beginner or externalist who doesn’t know how to move right and be properly aligned).
SO,
“But as I mentioned above - I’m assumeing skilled fighters. Which means the guy who has more gas has an improved chance of winning, no matter how good the engine performs.”
But if one engine is running with the sand and dirt of tension, misbalance, and misalignment instead of the one using the newest synthetic oil of finese, balance, relaxation, and proper body structure…which will run longer.
Ya, you can get enough gas to burn through the sand and dirt until you sieze (you burn more gas when your less efficient)…but the other is more efficient and may very well outlast you.
Perhaps using your own analogy will help you get my point.
As for my own experience…I would not say I am way out of shape…but the best shape I was in I was studying karate - AND I could never spar hard and continuously for and hour and a half. I am in poorer shape than then and now if I maintain proper body structure, balance, and relaxation - I can spar an hour and a half.
This is raw efficiency - not getting more gas, just improving the engine to make it use gas more efficiently and econonical. If you are only getting 5 miles to the gallon and have a 30 gallon tank and I get 30 miles to the gallon and have a 10 gallon tank…I will by double.
Internal martial arts focus on finese and efficiency…not bull-dozing your way through.
MonkeySlap Too,
Out of curiousity (so I know if I am completely wasting my time or not), do you study taiji, bagua, hsing-i or any internal martial art?
I’m curious to know which one(s).
I’m probably going to get chastised for this but ******, I’m going to say it anyway.
MS2 has studied Hsing Yi through the Chang Tung Sheng lineage. He keeps company with some of Wai Lun Choi’s senior students. I know that Drake on this board knows him and I actually got to meet Barry, one of Mr. Choi’s Bagua guys a few weeks ago.
He’s worked with Li Tai Lang and is currently working with some other high level teachers (whom I wont name simply because it’s not my place)
I did 5 years in the William CC Chen lineage before I found this school. And though the teaching methodology is extremely different, I was impressed enough to start over learning his stuff.
Of course all this is in addition to the fact that MS2 is primarily a Shuai Chiao teacher with somewhere around 20 years of experience.
I have no idea what else he knows as the gentleman doesn’t really like to talk about lineage. He prefers to train and terrorize those of us who would like to gain a fraction of his skill.
Have a good day 
Well now, thats a horse of a different color now, isn’t it.
Interesting how someone with such lineage doesn’t parade it around. Thats a free lesson to us all.
Feeling somewhat chastized myself,
Walter
To clarify, “worked with” and “keeps company with” doesn’t mean the same as “train under”. It just means that you can base your opinions on the real deal. No need to inflate anything here.
Just don’t wont to be misunderstood or seen as bragging about my teachers heritage. He can more than stand on his own accomplishments.
Greetings..
They are of equal importance in an actual conflict.. structure to support the technique, endurance to see it through..
Structure alone can be worn down by a stronger fighter.. endurance alone allows you get beaten for a longer period of time.. Together, structure AND endurance produces a balanced fighter.. To assume one is more important than another, in my opinion, is a flawed approach.. unbalanced..
Just another perspective from the Far-side, be well..
http://www.realfighting.com/0102/mattfurey.htm
yeah, yeah, he’s an externalist. I stumbled on this article though and thought it was somewhat pertinent.
everything and nothing is important in street fight and all of them r not so important in a real fight…
anything which can get u live out of real fight is important…otherwise u wudn’t hav time to regret this
-TkdWarrior- 