How is Hakka Pak Mei different than other Pak Mei styles?And do they all come from Cheung Lai Cheun ?
All Bak Mei originated from Cheung Lai Chun.
Hakka Bak Mei is not a specific thing, essentially it is Bak Mei practised by those known as Hakka.
Cheung Lai Chun travelled to many places, his teachings also changed along the way. In fact he was developing as he went along as well.Not to mention he chose who to teach what and how much. Thus a lot of styles seem more simplified or less intricate. When he was younger he taught as it was, as time passed his attitudes may have changed.
Thus the variety.
The earlier the Bak Mei, typically the lesser the number forms and the more Hakka in nature. But again there is no consistency.
Hakka, commonly have short bodies and their postures reflect this (of course this not an absolute quality), power and conceptual differences also existed.
As an example Dai Sart Kuen was thought to be from Cheung Lai Chun’s earlier education in Lei Ga but realistically some HK practitioners believe it to be when he did a swap in Canton later.
Sam Mun Kuen however was from his earlier education in Lei Ga.
Differences in Ying Zhao Lin Kiu and its predescessors also exist. It goes on and on. In old Hakka Bak Mei Long Ying Mo Kiu even formed part of Cheung Lai Chun’s curriculum.
An old Hakka Poem states in a section something along the lines -
“All originates from the Heart but my heart you cannot see.All strikes originate from their place but their destination you cannot judge.The further I charge in the further I disappear”
Hakka Pak Mei
Why is it that there is this big fascination with Hakka Pak Mee as oppose to other or Cantonese Pak Mei?
How come I don’t hear about “Hokkien Ang Kun” (note I have used the Fujian dialect for “Fujian Hung Kuen”). I mean the Hokkien/Fujian people don’t go around saying that they have some special Hung Kuen even though Hung Hei Koon and his teacher supposedly hailed from the Fujian province.
I guess it all stems from the fact that the Hakka people are more secretive and clanish.
cannon,theyre not secretive,its just a version that can’t be shared.we were persicuted for many years and still now.therefore we had to be different,to enhance the k.f.
most k.f styles have been manufctured now to fit with the western criteria.e.g money making scheems.
the hakka k.f can not survive the money making scheems therefore no-one will teach it unless you are hakka.which should be the no1.[rightful heir]and not money.thats why how pure it is and no its not questional.
there are 5 main style that are hakka.the rest are not.
i would say the facinastion is that its not world wide and no-one wants to show,not even for the “good of k.f”.
shoa not all pak-mei come from him.the monk had si-hings and so did he.
he only taught his 4 yes 4 sons and they were taught 2 versions,the canton version can rule itself out,and there is no link to him or his sons,no way.
there are only 5 hakka style the rest are not.
fasinating where do you get your info from,shoa?from book or your si-fu.because anything that is documentated is from cantonese,and they wish they knew. 
sui-fuw
Do you mean there are five Hakka Pak Mei styles or are there five Hakka style? like Southern mantis styles Lee Gar ,Gypsy style,Lung Ying Mor Kui,i know there is a Hakka Unicorn style i have seen it and have herd of hakka Snake style and Hakka Eagle Claw style also that there is a style called Dil Gar Gao that is also a Hakka style .So what five Hakka styles are you talking about ?
sui-fuw
>shoa not all pak-mei come from him.the monk had si-hings and so did he.<
Maybe,how do you know for sure??
And if he did,which seems logical,how do you know his si-hings were better??
>and they were taught 2 versions<
How do you know this??
Sui Fool,
Hakka or not Hakka, who cares.
Oh yes no written Hakka Docs because many Hakka could not read /write. (of course from teacher).
Be proud of being Hakka but do not be vain for in that way you really will not progress.
By the way, Cannon fist does practise both Hakka and Canton Bak Mei, so I guess your secret is out.
Firehawk,
Logically he means 5 Hakka Bak Mei. (Because there are many more “hakka” styles as such)
[This message was edited by Shaolin Master on 10-27-01 at 10:38 PM.]
Here read about the confusing Hakka term.
http://www.acad.polyu.edu.hk/~96981339r/HagGaPeople.htm
So who is really Hakka. 
sui-fuw sucks
sui-fuw u r a sack of sht. u dirty hakka r all racist shts. hakka wish they had something, anything as hakka don’t even have a country, always guest never host. ur martial arts suck, crude, incomplete, and none r yours, stolen from everyone else who only gave ur people a little bit. hakka claim to have secrets in order to hide the truth that hakka have nothing. ur women are ugly and ur food stinks honey bucket boy bye-bye, gui
Hakka vs Cantonese
Shaolin Master, you know indeed much of the matter. The Hakka Pak Mei (old one’s) have less forms. And we consider some Pak Mei forms to be of Lee Gar origin. The secrecy is propably a old and still continueing “disease” in the Hakka clan. This is explained because still many Hakka’s feel (or are) discriminated. We added “Hakka” to our name, because my sifu is proub of being Hakka and to explain why our systeem is (little)differt from the well publiced Cantonese Pak Mei. When we are asked why our forms/names/etc are differted: we are Hakka branch. Not better (or less) just different
Hakka Fist
(www.packmeipai.nl)
Sui Fu: Since there are different types of Hakka, does that mean that only one specific kind of Hakka is taught the real Pak Mei. I do know about the Pak Mei that is practise in the Moi Yen (Mooi Yuen in Cantonese) village. Since Cheung Lai Chuen was not from Moi Yen, would he have taught the complete real stuff to the Hakka there? But then again you might argue that the Pak Mei may not have come from Cheung Lai Chuen.
The Moi Yen Hakka language is actually a little different from Cheung Lai Chuen’s Hakka (Wai Chu if I am not mistaken).
BTW of which type of Hakka are you?
[This message was edited by CannonFist on 10-28-01 at 11:21 AM.]
hakka fist
hi mate! one day i would like to see what the hakka forms look like compared to what clc’s forms are like as in hongkong version or again guangzhou version. just looking at the pic’s on the website i can tell you sup jee form that your sifu is doing, we have the same posture for so how different are you guys? 
maybe one day ill meet up with you guys over there! thanks for letting all of us know that your sifu only put hakka name infront of the bak mei name because he is proud of his hakka heritage! that clears alot of the confusion up there!! 
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cannon,you must know the difference since you practise both[god knows why]but i’m saying that cantonese pak mei is made up from cantonese from the long versions.these branched off totally in another direction.yes no link to clc,the cantonese claim to have the eldest son of clc’s pak mei but i know otherwise.
in the sixty's moi yen was visited by a hakka village rep of clc and told them they couldn't teach it,if they did they would have to suffer the consequences.so they went out to earn money and changing the style which became the cantonese style[there was a man who's pak mei everybody feared].
shoa whats up your nose.i didn’t know your k.f is contonese,if it is i’m sorry.
hakka fist if you call it a desease then you don’t really know the pak mei or understand it,and why it can’t be shared.
i’ve seen your web site,and it is very diffrent to hakka pak mei,in hk.tell me how do you know if your not been conned.you have seriouse claims.this makes you 4th generation,yes?
please to clear my doubts on you.how do you “hoy tee” in “sipp batt mor”?
[This message was edited by sui-fuw on 10-28-01 at 04:48 PM.]
Other Pak Mei
I am familiar with Cheung’s influence in Pak Mei. However, I can safely say that Li Long Bai Mei did not come through his lineage. My style was passed down through the Chen Village to Grandmaster Chen Meng Li, whose Greatgrandmaster was a Chen Tai Chi exponent who learned Pak Mei. There are splits in the lineage down from the monk Pak Mei, they just are not well documented. I am currently researching this lineage and hope to publish it soon. as soon as I have more conclusive information I will let everyone know.
I wonder if Cheung Lai Cheuns training brother in Pak mei white Eyebrow Lin Sang had any students .I herd Lin Sang had know students but do we really know for sure ? It would be cool if he did have students.
Sui Fu : Interesting story about the Moi Yen hakka village. I may be planning a trip to China, and hopefully will visit Moi Yen/Kah Yen Chu, as its where my grandfather is from. So far my contact with Pak Mee from Moi Yen is through some relatives who have not live in China since the 1940s.
cool,cannon check up,through the old women.the men don’t talk of it,but your relatives should know?don’t be alarmed by the truth?if your hakka then the spirits will help you. :)[your ancestors]