[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;980652]Just the opposite. It is good training, but only real to a point. Hence the stories of brown belts who win tournaments but can’t fight their way out of a wet paper sack on the street or mma.
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There is no such thing as “real to a point.” It is either realistic (corresponds to reality) or not. Rolling (BJJ) is realistic grappling on the ground. There are no strikes, but this is added for vale tudo BJJ. Even without the strikes, you are behaving realistically – just as in kickboxing you are behaving realistically even though you don’t have grappling.
I don’tknow what stories you’re listening to, but you won’t find a legit brown who can’t fight. They may have poor stand-up but if they hit the ground, they will be GOOD. To seefor yourself, go to a BJJ school.
They develop faster if I give them a context for which to use techniques prior to sparring. I like to get them out of the “tough man phase” as quickly as possible.
You can’t teach technique without context (otherwise you are simply teaching movement).
Situational fighting is about decision making. When to use a technique. As far as other sports, I played basketball and football. My coaches were always concerned with my decision. Ever played zone or help-out man to man defense in basketball? I would be shocked if your BJJ instructor hasn’t scouted an opponent at a tournament and given you some advice.
Sure, it involves decision making – and learning to make your own decisions. Much, much too often people who can’t do it themselves are telling others how to do it, what decisions to make.
Yea, no matter how much advice I give it is always up to the person.
That’s afine sentiment, but unfortunately not realistic. Unless you have someone who is naturally critical (like me!) or unless you consistently tell people that what you teach is 5-95% bullsh1t and they need to figure out for themselves what is or is not BS, people are naturally inclined to follow the leader.
since we are primarily discussing various wrist and arm locks from the standing position I will pull from Paul Vunack, standing locks are, “incidental if not accidental.”
Paul is simply wrong. And that’s why you never see him pulling off those things in sparring. A better way of saying it is “standing locks are junk”, extremely low percentage and high risk techniques.
As a matter of probability they come up a lot more often in street fights, bouncing, and police work because of the nature of the opponents. Against a skilled fighter you don’t want to force it. Against a weaker opponent you can impose your will better and take advantage of the niceties of standing grappling.
As both Dale and I have pointed out, if you try this junk and your opponent has good attributes, has some training, or is just naturally good, then not only will your attempt at the junk fail, but you will – by not using good, solid, sound technique in the first place – put yourself in an extremely precarious position. In my book, this is simply training to fail. One mistake – like assuming your opponent is no good and trying some nonsense – can be the end of game. If you grappled, standing or on the ground, with good people you would know that.
Isn’t this just one of your semantic games?
Like I said, I don’t know what you mean by “arresting” someone’s limbs. As I said, my objective (the WCK faat) is to control an opponent while striking him. That has nothing to do with “arresting” a limb – certainly I will push, pull, jerk, jam, hold, etc. a limb to aid in that control. That’s nothing unique to WCK, you can see that in some MMA and MT fights.