Why does it matter if they have top fighters, or if they’re not a big event? Don’t you have to crawl before you can walk?
yeah “San SHAO”, first clue, if you don’t know how to spell the event, what do you know about it
hmmm…so I guess that makes you an expert on “peopel” huh?
There are some perverted form of Kuoshu Lei Tai rules. We’ve already discussed how that format has gone no where… and if they want to do Kuoshu rules, why call them San Shou?
The rules actually sound more like san shou than kuoshu, but like I said I like san shou and kuoshu and I don’t particularly like these rules…kuoshu allows knees, elbows, and you don’t have to worry about “rocking the head.”
Nah, we haven’t really discussed how Lei Tai “has gone no where,” you just came on here and said it several times, as if you needed constant reassurance. But keep trying, maybe you will start to believe it.
Ahkilleus or whatever his name is tried to slip the issue
At this point, I don’t even know what the issue is. I thought the issue was the rules, but somehow whether or not the people attending this tournament had students that had represented the U.S. in san shou became an issue. If it is that the tournament is at a time that is inconvenient for you (though I can’t imagine you would have anything to do that weekend :rolleyes:) then that would at least be understandable. Otherwise you are just bashing a tournament you haven’t been to on an internet forum that the promoters of said tournament do not read. If you do eventually figure out what your issue is, let me know and we can discuss it.
Why does it matter if they have top fighters, or if they’re not a big event? Don’t you have to crawl before you can walk?
Good point. But I still have a problem with them calling it “full contact”.
There’s only a problem if you focus on the bar. If you put it on right and gaze at your apponant, it’s no sweat. And if you’re waiting to see the fist, and not moving on the opening of the shoulder or hip you’ll probably get hit anyway.
Yeah, I use to have trouble with the mask, but after wearing it a lot I can see just as good with it on as without.
I love how people pathetically grasp at straws when they don’t have anything substantial to use in an argument
I typo in an internet post dashed off in a minute is a lot different than setting up a web page and printing tournament flyers with the name of a major event mis-spelled.
But when that’s all you have…
Read S L O W L Y
the rules are crap
teh rules are crap because the people who wrote the rules don’t know jack about fighting
the face cage is a joke
the “rocking the head” rule is a joke
the weight classes are a joke
I could go on…
Frankly, the event means NOTHING to me. Our event has been announced and planned for almost a full year. This, like most Chinese martial arts events, suddenly pops up on the screen at the last minute. Yet another in a long list of traist that have kept Chinese martial arts events in the dark
We have over 40 teams from around the world coming, do you think 5 to 10 PJ clad kung fu guys who want to fight ina face cage is going to bother me?
When the country who sponsors an event fails to hold a world championship three times, and at the same time sends its athletes to compete in the so called “rival sport” that should tell you a lot, but in your case, maybe not :rolleyes:
instead of just badmouthing each others formats, why don’t you chaps bother to give us the reasons WHY you think the different formats are better/worse than the other.
San Da format is as close to real fighting as amateurs are going to get. Do amateurs really want to get elbowed in the face? You can yap yap but we have all the kicks, punches, knees and wrestling techniques.
We are an open event, we have don’t require you to wear our uniform, belong to our organization of know “some inside guy” to compete. Show up and compete. For this very reason, we get more fighters and fighters from different formats.
We’ve never told people who have flown all day to fight that they can’t fight, we’ve never ignored repeated phone calls for registration materials
And let’s be honest, “San Shou” exists in events around the country
USA WKF
USWU
ABOC
IKF events
USKBA events
Cung Le’s Born to Fight
I know we’ve been to each and every one of these, we’ve won each and every one of these. But guys who haven’t been to ANY of these, much less won any of them, calling themselves San Shou guys? Oh please :rolleyes:
I agree with lkmfdc…OMG:eek:
The more fighters you have, from a broader area…the better the competition and the more a “title” means.
Essentially, the bigger, the better, the harder the competition and the more validity to titles won.
BTW, my school is hosting a tournament this Saturday. I’m competing in the “San Shou” event (rules still unknown).
I was considering competing in John Leong’s tournament but the rules for sparring sound so convoluted that I think I’ll pass.
Plus I don’t want to have to join his “federation.”
If find nuber 4 of the match guidlines amusing.
"…Any type of throw may be used as long as the initial fighter does not touch the lei tai at all with ANY part of his or her body during the course of the throw. If he does, the throw is void and no points awarded. "
So the guy has to jump in the air while throwing? His feet can’t touch the ground by this rule’s language.
This needs to be re-worded.
Well, the old Kuoshu Lei Tai rules (maybe they’ve changed?) didn’t give you any points for any throw where you didn’t stay completely standing to complete…
Western wrestlers complained because many takedowns involve dropping to a knee but, of course, those were just those silly western style wrestlers…
But, along the way, the Shuai Jiao people also pointed out that some well known Chinese style throws involve dropping as you throw… hmmmmmmm… guess Chang Tung Sheng wasn’t a real Chinese martial art fighter (insert sarcasm here)
Fu-Pow, don’t worry, the more you fight, the more you’ll agree with me 
Well, the old Kuoshu Lei Tai rules (maybe they’ve changed?)
Yes, they did change that a couple years ago. You get a point for landing on top now.
Originally posted by Akhilleus
Yes, they did change that a couple years ago. You get a point for landing on top now.
which makes sense and is probably a result of the SCh people I was talking about…
I’ve competed in Mr. Ross event and I have to say, it is very fair and well run. I plan on fighting again before the year is out and begin a very serious run.
At the same time I’ll still go and fight in tournaments like the Won Fe Hung. The competition is not as fierce but its still a venue to test and nothing goes down on your permanant record.
All venues have their pluses and minuses; even San Da. I like to get in and throw blows that utilise the elbow going through. In clinching, I train to go right for a neck lock. It takes some time to change and train for a certain venue. I also prefer to keep the fight going when taken down and fight from there instead of having to get up.
Home team gets to make the rules, that’s just the way it is. All in all, it’s the experience that matters.
I had to tap out from exhaustion from my first San Da fight and the guy probbaly woud have won on points anyway for sweeps he got me on … but he didn’t land a single solid blow in two rounds and there’s no doubt in my mind that if I wanted to I could’ve taken the medal from him if I chose to and waited for him outside. That’s not the point. The point is that he exposed weaknesses in my aresenal that needed to be adressed and that could happen from a single match against a better than average guy in a TKD, Karate or any martial art event. All it takes is that one encounter and you can learn something.
If you’re trying to go pro as a Pro San Da guy, then I’d pick a venue and go for the top. But if just improving your skills, I say fight when and where you can when you have time and are healthy/uninjured.
Originally posted by EvolutionFist
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If you’re trying to go pro as a Pro San Da guy, then I’d pick a venue and go for the top. But if just improving your skills, I say fight when and where you can when you have time and are healthy/uninjured. [/B]
I think that is his point. That there are guys out there claiming to be “World/National” champions that aren’t competing at the top level of competition.
Originally posted by lkfmdc
which makes sense and is probably a result of the SCh people I was talking about…
So theres no need for levitation throws? Great! LOL!
Well, if we can’t use our levitation throws and deadly chi blasts that blow up chickens at 30 yards then we won’t compete darn it 
oh, and Fu-Pow has gwa deng so chaap’ed the correct on the above post
great, so ross, fu and abel are all in some sort of agreement on something? holy ****, i think i’m going to get this thread framed and hang it up in my living room.
Pretty bizarre huh? I think next we should expect some other unnatural things to happen for example… bears getting wasted drunk, sighting of unidentified creatures in maryland and gymnasts falling down and winning olympic gold.
Oh ****…that’s already happened…
Maybe just some plagues, famines and locusts.
well, when the looting begins, let’s meet at northgate and start our “acquisitioning” there. 
events of biblical proportions
real fire and brimstone sort of stuff
wrath of g’d
dogs and cats living together
Originally posted by rubthebuddha
well, when the looting begins, let’s meet at northgate and start our “acquisitioning” there.
Northgate? Hell no…I’m hitting Pacific Place mall!!