What’s going on with san shou? Everyone seems to be useing san da rules now. Are there still san shou tournements around?
good question… i like the san shou rules better… but i’m getting better at throwing knees… but still…
guys who like the san shou rules better are usually guys who have eaten a knee or two 
I"m just joking, just joking 
San Shou is pretty much dead though, even in China…
Originally posted by lkfmdc
[B]guys who like the san shou rules better are usually guys who have eaten a knee or two
I"m just joking, just joking
San Shou is pretty much dead though, even in China… [/B]
I think it takes more skill to throw kicks in a style that allows catches and takedowns. Any one can clinch up and throw knees. To me san da is just another name for thai boxing, there isn’t much difference between them. I also think knee fighting looks too much like a a street fight and I did more than enough of that growing up in fields corner (nasty little neiborhood). It will be a shame if there are no more san shou competitions.
Originally posted by 19thlohan
I think it takes more skill to throw kicks in a style that allows catches and takedowns.
Why do you think there are no throws in San Da
Originally posted by 19thlohan
To me san da is just another name for thai boxing, there isn’t much difference between them.
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Your comments are not very informed…
Originally posted by lkfmdc
[B]Why do you think there are no throws in San Da
Your comments are not very informed… [/B]
I didn’t say that. I know what san da is. I said it’s not much different from thai boxing which also alows throws. Thier fighters usauly only kick out the suporting leg but they are allowed to do just about any throw they want. Landing a kick against a good fighter takes alot of timeing and good strategy. Knees can be applied with those skills but most guys who fight with knees are just tough guys who try to take more than thier opponant. It’s ugly boring fighting.
Why aren’t my comments well informed? Because you miss read them, because you don’t know the thai boxing rules or because you’re in denial that your sport is the same as what they do?
Originally posted by 19thlohan
[B]they are allowed to do just about any throw they want.
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You really need to know what you are talking about before trying to lecture me. Read the official rules of Muay Thai, either the World Muay Thai Council rules or the rules of the Boxing Board of Thailand… “throws” don’t exist… they are illegal…
Your last post proves not only ignorance of the facts, but an astounding dillusion on your part…
oh, and welcome to kung fu mag. forums.
Most people get a couple of hundred posts before lkfmdc reams them. This kid must be a prodigy.
Any one can clinch up and throw knees.
LMAO… oh man.. this guy’s a tool..
no “reams”, just FACTS
The World MuayThai Council Rules (WMC, 1995)
section 18 (the section that outlines foul and strikes violating the rules)
rule 18.2 wrestling, back or arm locks or any similar judo or wrestling hold are illegal.
Board of Boxing Sport Rules (Sport Authority of Thailand, 2002)
rule 16.2 states that, throwing, back breaking, locking opponents arms, using Judo and wrestling techniquesare all violations of the rules.
The Amateur MuayThai Association of Thailand, the Federation of Amateur MuayThai of Asia, and the International Federation of MuayThai Amateurs rules for Amateur MuayThai competition include rule 17 b (2) a throw on an opponent, a back breaking manoeuvre, an intentional fall over, a judo or wrestling throw to an opponent are fouls.
The following judo and wrestling moves are fouls (Board of Boxing Sport, 2002):
a) A boxer wraps his leg around the leg of their opponent from the inside or the outside and forces their opponent to the floor.
b) A boxer locks an opponents neck and executes a hip to shoulder or hip throw
c) A boxer grabs their opponents hip in a waist lock and throws using a hip throw
d) A boxer grabs an opponents arm, turns and uses their calf and back of their thigh (hamstring muscle group) to sweep an opponents legs from under them.
e) A boxer grabs an opponent and falls backward to throw their opponent
f) A boxer attempts a rugby style tackle on the legs and waist of an opponent
g) A boxer grabs their opponents waist from behind, then, placing a leg between their opponents legs, pulls their opponent backwards over their leg and hip
h) A boxer grabs their opponent from below the waist, lifting and throwing
i) A boxer catches their opponents leg and uses their other arm to push them off balance while taking more than two steps
j) A boxer catches their opponents leg and uses their calf muscle to trip/sweep an opponent off their feet
k) A boxer ankle trips their opponent
l) A boxer leg sweeps their opponent using the calf or inside of their foot
m) A boxer traps their opponents arms in a waist lock, lifts their opponent and throws
n) A boxer grabs an opponent from behind, lifts and throws
o) A boxer grabs around an opponents lower spine and hyper-extends their back in a back breaking move
Originally posted by lkfmdc
Your last post proves not only ignorance of the facts, but an astounding dillusion on your part… [/B]
Your the one who misquoted me and then said that I was uniformed. Thats ignorance in it’s finest form.
As for the thai boxing thing there are many orginizations that have different rules and some allow throws. If you want to consider your orginazation the offical one thats fine by me but san da is still identical to the thai boxing I’ve always watched and I don’t like it!
So which thai boxing orgs allow throws? You going to stop being a tease and tell us?
Originally posted by lkfmdc
[B]Why do you think there are no throws in San Da…
Your comments are not very informed… [/B]
I surprised you haven’t posted your rules.
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/ksdrules.html
(4) Competitors are allowed to use any throw or takedown unless it results in a prohibited action. Please refer to the sections on “ILLEGAL TECHNIQUES” and “FOULS” for more information. Throws and takedowns accumulate points but do not count as knockdowns
Originally posted by 19thlohan
As for the thai boxing thing there are many orginizations that have different rules and some allow throws.
Dear lord, you are dense aren’t you?
I just posted the World Muay Thai Council (located in BANKOK THAILAND) and the Boxing Board of Thailand, when it comes to Muay Thai, that IS the only REAL Thai boxing…
Originally posted by lkfmdc
[B]Dear lord, you are dense aren’t you?
I just posted the World Muay Thai Council (located in BANKOK THAILAND) and the Boxing Board of Thailand, when it comes to Muay Thai, that IS the only REAL Thai boxing… [/B]
Oh come on. You think I’m dense and you post this. Muay thai is a traditional art dating back centuries with all kinds of techniques including weapons and yes throws. There are traditional tournements and there are other sport muay thai orginazations even in thai land. that may well be the largest or most recognized governing body but to say it’s the only real thai boxing… forget it ! You win. you know every thing about everything and your always right!
Dude, face it, you talk about things you don’t know anything about and when confronted with the facts you act all lame…
you’re right, out of 18 lohans, you rank 19th… maybe lower…
Originally posted by lkfmdc
[B]Dude, face it, you talk about things you don’t know anything about and when confronted with the facts you act all lame…
you’re right, out of 18 lohans, you rank 19th… maybe lower… [/B]
First I’m right about the thai boxing thing and second I made a statement about why I don’t like san da as much as san shou and you miss quote it , sling insults, tell everyone how full of yourself you are, claim that the rules of the world muay thai council (one orginization)are the official rules of all muay thai in general, sling more insults when I don’t except your word as law, and finaly take cheap grade school level shots at a posting name (clever by the way, compaired to the rest of your posts anyway). Do you even know what lame ignorant or dense means?
gets popcorn and sits back
19th um Sanda is basically San Shou with knees added and done in a ring. Unless you think San Shou is Muay Thai without knees then you have a point, not a good one, but a point.
I’ll assume you are not a Boston San Shou person. If you are we need to talk. If you are not then we should talk.