I’m bored so I figured I would post this again.
Anybody have any questions about US San Shou? Who’s who, schools, rules, styles, history and such.
I live on Long ISland but train in NYC. I have studied Isshin-Ryu for a long time, Hung Gar, Wing Chun and S. Mantis. Now training in the internal. I’m interested in getting involved ina group other than Wing Chun that fights regularly.
I may be wrong, I’m getting the impression that San Shau is a kind of all go fighting, striking, take downs, ect. Is this the case. I’ll be traveling a lot from now till late March, but am interested if this is the case. Anything like that going on in NYC?
If so, its a great thing. I try to fight as often as possible now, but its becoming stale. Same people or styles all the time, too predictable. I want something 100% new, fresh, a different look.
I’m 100% into training, no ego involved. A loss is a loss (chance to learn) and a win is a win (chance to learn from what worked and what could have worked better). That’s my aproach to fighting, knock them down help them up let’s get lunch.
Anyway, have a good one.
Ray
In your experience, what training methods have produced the best results for Lei Tai fighting?
Your answer can be style specific or non-style specific. I am just curious about what you have observed to work well in terms of attributes, ring strategty, endurance, winning techniques and how they are trained, etc.
Whatever you feel is worth commenting on from the above.
Bek Mai
I would say go here :
New York Kung-Fu and Kickboxing
43 W. 24th Street (3rd floor), NYC 10010
Phone (212) 242-2453
They are the only full time San Shou in NY right now.
Yee’s Hung Gar also trains San Shou but from a more traditional angle and spar less I believe, but they have some good stuff.
Li Tai Liang (former Beijing team coach) runs a small program also.
Gloves and Gear?
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What gloves and gear do you need in most San Shou matches?
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Vinyl dipped or leather?
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Round Time?
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Pants or Shorts?
Monkey Slap,
Training that works best is to focus on your strengths but not to neglect your weaknesses.
If you are good a wrestling then get really good at it and incorporate it into your fighting as the main element i.e. hands and feet set up throws.
If you have good hands then focus on close fighting and short sharp wrestling skills.
Good Feet fight at a longer range, work catches and root out when in a clench.
Conditioning is a MAJOR factor. San Shou taxes the whole body more than other stand up styles because you cannot rest in a clench and on a Lei Tai you are forced to engage more.
Focus on clean throws, catches, a foot ball tackle takedown uses a ton of energy and is worth as many points as a jab so stay on your feet.
For Full contact you need to land HARD shots to score. A bomb that misses is as useless as a tap that lands.
Spar with as many people as you can at as high a level as you can take. Use pads and Headgear. All the top schools do it, you can fight harder longer and come back the next day for more. Nothing will hamper your training more than injury. Even a mild bone bruise on your shin and give you an instant dead leg if you hit it again. Our informal rule is Hands 80% and Legs 60% depending on weight and skill.
DRILL DRILL DRILL.
We try to do:
25 rounds sparring for 1 round in the ring
5 rounds on pads or drills for 1 round sparring
3 rounds conditioning for 1 round drills
Make sense? Want more?
Mighty B,
Leather boxing competition fight gloves.
Pro in the ring 8 or 10 oz. Amateur Lai Tai 14 oz.
Shorts required
Rounds are 2 min straight time in the ring, 2 min stop time on the Lei Tai (clock stops at every break by the ref. I’ve seen rounds that are 8 min plus if you get two wrestlers).
Awsome!!!
SanShou Guru,
I was just about to post a big thread on San Shou. I live next to louisville KY. in Indiana. I Have trainned mostly in Wing Chun along with boxing, Thai Boxing, some Akido and Jiu Justu (Sorry about the spelling) I would love to get involved with San Shou at the amature level, I would also like to go to some fights and just watch it.
I could go to Cincinati, Louisville, and Indianapolis to view or participate in fights. I just don't know how you can get involved without having an official San Shou Gym to work out at and how to sign up for fights. I work full time so I would have to fight in the basic beginer type fights, it could not be a profession for me. I have though about going to Terry Middletons here were I live, they do Kickboxing, Boxing and Jiu Jitsu. But I really want to stick with the Kung Fu type fighting. I know it is similar when you get in the ring and start fighting but the training and Culture is so different and that's what I like.
If you have any links to sites that I can find this out for my area, or any first hand advice I would appreciate it. I have done searches on the internet but can not find too much stuff. Thanks.
25 rounds sparring for 1 round in the ring
5 rounds on pads or drills for 1 round sparring
3 rounds conditioning for 1 round drills
**** that’s a work out! Thanks for the info, I;'m sure I’ll ask for it again when I’m settled down in April. Thanks. Glad to know its close.
Hey, I appreciate the post, although I was really looking for specific training methods that you feel produce good results in the ring.
Cipher,
Scott Shelly, runs a gym in Ohio (I’ll need to look up the location for you). He is the only Major San Shou school near you (one of the “big six”) that I know of. I’ll see what I can find out if you want. if you want ot see some clips you should check out the clips on www.marvinperry.org .
Monkey Slap,
more detail is hard because we have about 250+ differnt drills (hands, feet, wrestling, counters, etc.) that we will do over the course of training. They focus on differnt skills and fighter types as well as opponent types. We may produce a training book and/or video soon so if/when that happens you will be good to go.
The most important skill in San Shou is a good root. You will hit harder and be harder to throw.
NYC full contact
the bros of wu are hosting a fullcontact seminar in NYC on Jan 18, this is the perfect opportunity to mix it up with a variety of levels of fighter from different styles
yi wu of tha yin fu crew
Originally posted by SanShou Guru
[B]Cipher,
Scott Shelly, runs a gym in Ohio (I’ll need to look up the location for you). He is the only Major San Shou school near you (one of the “big six”) that I know of. I’ll see what I can find out if you want. if you want ot see some clips you should check out the clips on www.marvinperry.org . [/B]
Thanks a lot. I would appreciate any info. It would be fun make a weekend trip and go see some fights.
Scott’s Kickboxing gym (Iron Tigers) is in
Bellefontaine, Ohio. sorry forgot the number.
Any talk about san shou makes me 
Peace to all.
Hey San shou Guru, I’m thinking of entering the San shou competition at this event http://www.mantiskungfu.com/tiger2002.html .
But I don’t really have any “san shou” experience… And the style i study(Ving tsun) doesn’t really have any throws in it, and i hear that makes up alot of the san shou fighting… So I’m not sure if this is a good idea or not, but either way I’ll enter, don’t mind getting my ass kicked.
Hey, im no guru like SanShou Guru but i dont think its a good idea to fight in that tournament if you dont know any throwing and stuff…
Thanks ST.
CanadianBA,
That tournament should be a safe start. Not many killers in Canada.
Wisdom mind,
TBT seminar will be more street fighting oriented as opposed to touranment fighting since they are not tournament fighters. May be worth a look to see what’s out there but not a group to train with if you want to fight in the ring.
Xebsball,
Unlike the main San Shou style in Brazil witch has a huge emphasis on throws (Eduardo Fujihira and company) Most north American fighters do not go for as many throws but fight a more interactive style. With the gear and likely skill level if CBA is in shape they should do ok.
Hey ST did you go to Mike Berry and Jullio Trujillo’s tournament they had a few weeks ago? If so how was it?
We didn’t go but people who went told me it was a great event for up and comers, perhaps some of the champions of tomorrow got their first taste there?
San Shou is growing, no doubt