There are mass discussion about where the lineage comes from or who is the oldest or Shao LIn or Emei…paradigm shift…
IMHO, ultimately, it is not important at all if history is just history and DNA is just DNA.
so,
I would like to start a new topic here about :
Presume you are correct about all your history, DNA, and you are the oldest… most original… or anything one likes to claim or don’t like to claim… set all this history discussion into rest.
So, the final analysis are:
1, how advance ( level or state) can your SLT/SNT tranining get you to?
2, what is the vision of this advance achivement or attainment?
3, have anyone in your lineage achived this visionary goal in the past?
4, what kind of theory and training were embeded in your SLT/SNT to make this achivement possible?
Could you refrase the last part about achievement. I’m not exacly sure what you are asking. Its sounds like their are typeing errors, “-ed” left off, and other things.
The discussion went no where in terms of history. Now you want to talk about Chan? Very interesting questions. I’m looking forward to some good discussion. However, before asking for answers, we should all ask ourselves: do I have the proper mindfulness of Chan, do I have what it takes to recieve the answers?
Originally posted by woseung The discussion went no where in terms of history. Now you want to talk about Chan? Very interesting questions. I’m looking forward to some good discussion. However, before asking for answers, we should all ask ourselves: do I have the proper mindfulness of Chan, do I have what it takes to recieve the answers?
IMHO, different people have different view. So some go a long way, some do not. the facts are always there, but why should one force other to belive what one doesn’t belive?
IF you read my re phrase questions properly you know it is not about Chan. It is about what SLT/SNT can do. Very Tangeble and Technical.
As for mindfulness of Chan, if one can drive a Car in a highway then ofcause one has mindfulness. Everyone has buddha nature. Everyone is created with the image of GOD. One has it without needed to work for it.
As For Chan, Chan is a teaching focus on breaking one’s attachment to methodology and self, as teaches in Chan sutras.
As for Samadhi, one can attain that from Chan school, Esoteric School… Daoism… Sufi… Hinduism… ect.. So it is a phenomenon with different name.
But then, the question I have phrase up there are not about Chan…
It is such as Taiji has Reel Silk or Peng to carry it’s trainner to advance state. Hsing Yee has the San Chai Zhuang to carry its trainner to advance state… Hope that this make it clear.
Originally posted by Phenix
1, how advance ( level or state) can your SLT/SNT tranining get you to?
2, what is the vision of this advance achivement or attainment?
3, have anyone in your lineage achived this visionary goal in the past?
4, what kind of theory and training were embeded in your SLT/SNT to make this achivement possible? [/B]
i think you can always improve, no matter how advanced you get.
to attain total mind body co-ordination. to be able to transfer force to any part of your body at will (that is using the mind)
You ask interesting questions. Here are my plain answers.
1, how advance ( level or state) can your SLT/SNT tranining get you to?
If action starts from the mind or the heart, it would be better to go beyond its seen physical manifestation to feel or to sense its unseen and intangible side. Practicing SLT seems to help one to initiate this inward journey process. “Tan, Bong, Fook, Wu and Huen; Their wonder grows with practice.” - SLT Kuen Kuit.
2, what is the vision of this advance achivement or attainment?
“Through training the forms we realize that, unlike other martial arts, there are no fixed responses in WC. That is to say, if I attack in one way that you must response in a certain manner. WC stipulates the use of concepts and principles, and there are techniques to follow these ideas” - WSL.
3, have anyone in your lineage achived this visionary goal in the past?
I do believe Wong was a good example of a formless fighter.
4, what kind of theory and training were embeded in your SLT/SNT to make this achivement possible?
“Thousands of variations; Aiming for practicality, not beauty” - SLT Kuen Kuit.
“When doing the 1st form, you should relax and let your energy come out naturally. The energy that you apply varies from situation to situation. The first form teaches you how your energy can be best applied.” - WSL.
“Other styles would place much emphasis on the training of forms and combination techniques. WC ideas will not allow this method of training. WC theory will not allow any fixed responses or fixed combinations of techniques.” - WSL
“A lot of WC is in the mind. The actions or movements are not that important. What WC teaches is that it is more important to use what is in your head.” - WSL
SLT is like a living text that describes the Wing Chun method.
Through practice & study we can gain an understanding into the nature of the art. Our teachers can help us but in the end dililigent practice will reveal the real Wing Chun, the true nature.
When I practice I train the physical form and the principles but also observe the way of the SLT.
1, how advance ( level or state) can your SLT/SNT tranining get you to?
IF EMEI 12 zhuang have 9 level of state which at around the 6th level one shift into the paradigm of Light. Then, YIK KAM SLT, similar to its mother at least has 9 levels. -HS
2, what is the vision of this advance achivement or attainment?
Return to Sunyatta or Emptiness or Natural by get rid of limitation in the realm of Mind/Body. -HS
3, have anyone in your lineage achived this visionary goal in the past?
Yik Kam
and Chow Chien-Chuan of Emei 12 Zhuang. - HS
4, what kind of theory and training were embeded in your SLT/SNT to make this achivement possible?
Let got the body then the body will be is light as silk.
Let got the breathing then the Qi turn into heat and light
Let got the self then one flow naturally similar to water. -HS
IT is about Grace not about power
It is about Peace not about Anger…
Air is similar to land, one can step one it.
Belive then one shall … ---- Bulletproof Monk.
Originally posted by Phenix IF EMEI 12 zhuang have 9 level of state which at around the 6th level one shift into the paradigm of Light. Then, YIK KAM SLT, similar to its mother at least has 9 levels. -HS
Just curious, are the two 9 level of states (12 Jong, YK SLT) identical? Or are they somewhat symbolically parallel to each other with different depths and differences in “Choo Yaou” (thick/fine)?
Just curious, are the two 9 level of states (12 Jong, YK SLT) identical? Or are they somewhat symbolically parallel to each other with different depths and differences in “Choo Yaou” (thick/fine)? [/B]
“Spontaneously return to natural, the Qi and Mai settle in peace”
How many type of Spontaneous are there?
after certain level it is not the about the set anymore. it is about the person who does the set…
Keeping tensing the elbow and knee will not going anyway. – Both the Goat die and the people go no where. ha hahaha..
Standing without ankle will floating into no where. Both the Goat and the people keep floating into nowhere…
Thus Surangama sutra is very important after get into silence state or theta. Beware of you fantasy become true… So, Surangama sutra is needed, Buddhist art right?
If you don’t mind, I’m curious on what you think of the way of SLT. For instance, what do you see in it as crucial to mastering the WC method of fighting? I also notice that you mention it as “a living text”. In what sense does it become alive to you?
Originally posted by PaulH
[B]
what do you see in it as crucial to mastering the WC method of fighting? I also notice that you mention it as “a living text”. In what sense does it become alive to you?
Regards, [/B]
It is not about figthing it is about harmony ---- Bulletproof monk.
