[QUOTE=grasshopper 2.0;1004334]ok, beyond posting “fail” how about showing something better? even going to the effort of yourself having to knock out a wc guy with a hook would be good! at least it proves your point.
i have to say kudos to Victor for posting and, right there, he separates himself from the majority of wing chun guys who only talk about how to deal with hooks…
i watched both videos and i have a few questions/comments
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it seems like the black dude isn’t really throwing it with full force nor follow through
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it seems that the WC guy is anticipating the moves right from the get-go..he even steps to the left, perhaps because he knows which hook is coming? what if he didn’t? would he still step to the left?
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we don’t know how hard the WC guy is hitting the shoulders, so it’s hard to say it it’ll really stop it or perhaps it really is stopping the hook.
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based on simply these clips, i personally do not think it would be enough to stop a full speed hook, with weight behind it, especially coming from a guy of that size (but again, see point 3 above).
as a WC (WT) guy myself, hooks are not easy to handle..in fact ridiculously difficult and incredibly dangerous. You got one chance, and either you get it or lights out. If there’s a “1-2”, it’s already too late…you’re eating a fist, no doubt. And that’s only at the “drill -level”…if you take it out of that context and put it into a fighting scenario, it’s a 1000x more dangerous..lots of speed, weight, commitment and adrenaline. I would not go after the shoulder, if i had the choice that is…
Victor - it would be awesome if you could post a video one day to clear this up..[/QUOTE]
***GOOD post, grasshopper..
And you raise some good points and valid questions. As for knowing what was coming, yes, the vid was made with me knowing in advance that a hook was coming from his lead hand.
But in TWC one is taught to watch the opponent’s elbows and knees like a hawk, with particular attention paid to the lead elbow - since his lead arm is his closest weapon.
We watch elbows because they travel slower than the fist- since they travel about half the distance as the fist but in the same amount of time. So they are much easier to see - and with enough drills and sparring…one can develop the ability to see what’s coming in time to deal with it effectively.
Is it straight? Is it round? Is it high? Is it low? etc…
The same principle applies to watching knees against possible kicks coming in at you.
No, the black dude was not throwing full force for the purposes of the video - as I wanted my students to see clearly exactly what I was doing in response.
Stepping to the left is indicative of the fact that in TWC, if we start in a parallel position vis-a-vis with the opponent (ie.- matched leads)…we want to step outside his lead lead leg - as this gets us just slightly further away from his rear hand - in case he follows up with a punch with that arm - and therefore slightly more time for us to react.
As for how hard I was hitting the shoulders - I was purposely not hitting hard. If you blast a return punch to the shoulder joint you can definitely momentarily stop someone in their tracks - although granted it’s not always going to work out that way, depending upon the opponent.
And sometimes that kind of move I demoed can’t be used at all - based upon the timing and distance. Sometimes a more conventional block (with no return fire) is all you can do…or a duck, a slip, or whatever.
Would like to make more videos, including some all out sparring…but this will have to wait since I’m presently in the process of looking for a new Manhattan location for my school.
