Heh, heh. Yeah, that’s the good training 
. At our old school, all our breakfall training was on this friggin’ hard tille floor! Now were on a nice, soft, hardwood floor (much more cushy 
).
The problem with mats is that they’re always too small…
can anyone tell me the difference between koshi garuma and kubinage?
Kubinage enters identically but then puts the foot on the outside of uke’s ankle just like tai otoshi, for the block.
in traditional koshi guruma your feet are under yourr base and inside your opponents legs (slightly) for maximum hip lift.
When attempting koshi guruma I typically end up using kubi nage or instead of the foot stepping across like tai otoshi, reap ala Harai goshi.
I am not a big fan of koshi guruma. I believe that people with great base can sink and stall the hold and take advantage (in fact as a counter thrower, I do just this and hit them with ura nage or ushiro goshi) and that o goshi, tsuri komi goshi, tsuri goshi, harai goshi generate more powerful throws using the hip. others may have their own opinions.
I forgot all about that question… Thanks for getting it, ST.
The hardest I’ve ever been thrown was with a tsuri komi goshi. Second was a harai goshi.
Let’s get more SC lingo and explanations up here.
Does anyone have actual video of a SC competition?
I’d like to see 2 SC guys trying to throw each other with full resistance.
SC translations for these throws
Osoto gari
Ouchi gari
Uki goshi
O Goshi
Seionage
sasae tsurikomi ashi
hiza guruma
deashi harai
koshi guruma
kosoto gari
kouchigari
tsurikomi ashi
okuri ashi harai
tai otoshi
uchimata
harai goshi
(these are the first 16 throws of the standard judo cirriculum and the core of all judo throwing)
the worst hammerings I’ve received
Originally posted by SevenStar
[B]I forgot all about that question… Thanks for getting it, ST.
The hardest I’ve ever been thrown was with a tsuri komi goshi. Second was a harai goshi. [/B]
Tani otoshi and a sambo-ish lift from behind.
With the lift, I hit the ground so hard my ribs hurt at the impact point as well as the place where they connect to the sternum.
Tani otoshi on the other hand pretty much makes me wonder if I’m going to lose teeth every time.
I’ve heard the scissors takedown (kesa basame?; it’s now illegal in competition) is an unpleasant fall to take as well.
thanks for the answer.
Originally posted by ShaolinTiger00
Kubinage enters identically but then puts the foot on the outside of uke’s ankle just like tai otoshi, for the block.
Interesting, since it’s illegal, I guess having the foot on the outside combined with the head control must twist the body in some weird way that doesn’t happen with koshi guruma.
“I’m not a big fan of koshi guruma. I believe that people with great base can sink and stall the hold and take advantage (in fact as a counter thrower, I do just this and hit them with ura nage or ushiro goshi) and that o goshi, tsuri komi goshi, tsuri goshi, harai goshi generate more powerful throws using the hip. others may have their own opinion.”
chuckle
When I first learned koshi guruma, I was sardonically told , “you’ll love this throw. you’ll never get it, but you’ll love it anyway.” Turns out the ***zer version of uchimata, harai and kata guruma were much more my style.
Earlier, I listed the throws that gave me the worst pounding. Of the hip throws, I’ve only ever been really clobbered with hane. Remarkably, it’s about the only one you didn’t list.
*actually, it’d be a disastrous disservice to judoka everywhere to call it a harai. It’s more like a *******ized awful combination of tai otoshi, harai, or osoto gari depending on wherever I’ve been unfortunate enough to position myself.
Hane is a great throw, but it’s never been one that I could do worth a darn.
Interestingly, I won my first match in my first tourney with koshi guruma.
My lack of understanding of the judo terms is driving me insane.
Originally posted by ShaolinTiger00
[B]SC translations for these throws
Osoto gari - diagonal cut
Ouchi gari - outer leg hooking?
O Goshi - hip throw
Seionage - rhino gazes at the moon
koshi guruma - neck surround
tai otoshi - I saw a throw similar to this somewhere referred to as kwaii
uchimata - inner thigh lifting
harai goshi - I’m guessing this would fall into the category of ho ti throws, like uchi mata
(these are the first 16 throws of the standard judo cirriculum and the core of all judo throwing) [/B]
Originally posted by Meat Shake
My lack of understanding of the judo terms is driving me insane.
bah. Don’t worry - we’ll fix that. It’s standardized, so there’s no debating the name of a technique. And, once you start to pick up on what the words mean, it becomes easy.
example:
O - major
soto - outer
uchi - inner
gari - reap
goshi - hip
now, look at the following throws:
o goshi - major hip
o soto gari - major outer reap
o uchi gari - major inner reap
when you see other names, you will at least partially recognize them.
ko soto gari - from above, you know that it’s an outer reap. ko means minor - minor outter reap.
“Ouchi gari - outer leg hooking”
Shaving you mean?
Example - Closed stance, left legs forward. Attackers right leg goes around opponents left leg to the outside and reaps in and towards the outside of attackers left leg, while controlling waiste and pushing throat.
nah, that sounds like ko soto gari - minor inner reap. Check out this pic and tell me if this is what you are talking about:
http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/kosotogari.htm
what I was talking about is this:
http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/ouchigari.htm
pulling is similar in principle to tai otoshi, but tai otoshi uses the foot to block, as opposed to the hand.
there’s a tech on david lin’s site called forward kick that looks like sasae, based on the still pic - I haven’t looked at the clip yet.
from david lin’s site:
Ming Dynasty (1277 ~ 1367)
The Ming Dynasty was the re-establishment of Chinese Sovereignty, following the Mongol conquest. During this time, some of China’s martial arts began to flourish abroad, and Shuai-Chiao also made its presence felt overseas.
Chen Yuan-Ping is credited for bringing Shuai-Chiao to Japan. His intimate knowledge of Shuai-Chiao’s joint locks, controls, takedowns, and throws formed the basis of what became Jiu-Jitsu, which later evolved into Judo and Aikido.
so, anyone know whether SC went straight to japan or came through okinawa?
great thread, Seven.
i’ll second the bit about the solo stuff as being a good aspect of the SC but if SC can take a throw and do it solo why couldn’t you do it with a judo throw as well?