[QUOTE=Knifefighter;717501]You guys are too funny. You are so caught up in defending your little CMA worlds that you miss any useful points. All you see is attacks on CMA, even when they are not there.
A kick is not a kick because there are a variety of different kicks that are useful in different scenarios.
The flicky little toe kick that does no damage with sandals becomes a devastating strike when done with pointy-toe cowboy boots.
The devastating shin kick that knocks the wind out of your opponent doesn’t do much when you and your opponent are in snowboarding clothes.
A shin kick is not necessarily a shin kick and a flicky toe kick is not a necessarily flicky toe kick… and a flicky toe kick is definitely not a roundhouse shin kick.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;717542]Uh, let’s see, because he is my teacher and I spent over 16 years with him… :rolleyes:
How do I use his name? My school isn’t named after him. MY web page isn’t covered in pictures of him. MY web page doesn’t have his name mentioned on every single page, every other paragraph. I’d bet you most people wouldn’t even know I was a CTS student from a casual read of my web page
Frankly, I don’t and never needed CTS name to promote myself. My school, the classes, the material I teach my students, the hours I spend with them and the RESULTS are how I’ve promoted myself
Hate to burst your bubble, but I’m known for producing fighters that win, not CTS. In fact, in the circles I run in a lot of people don’t know a tiger claw from a bear claw pastry…
Funny, I just posted a response to Abel along these lines. Funny how people can’t grasp that a person who is only interested in fighting is a CMA player? Sort of sad actually :D[/QUOTE]
You sure do use him to promote youself on this forum and probably in the CMA community. You don’t use him to promote yourself in the MMA community, because they think kung fu is a joke(good master or bad master).
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;717524]IN all the years I’ve trained with other martial artists, the people who had similarly strong grips actually weren’t CMA people, they were GRAPPLERS…[/QUOTE]
What about the “real deal” CMA people you met over the years? Not the bottom of the barrel that some MMA people think represents all Kung Fu. For example, you praised the Shuai Jiao folks you trained with. What about them? What about Wong Ching and that crowd? Hows about Adam Hsu? How were the grips of these martial artists?
You sure do use him to promote youself on this forum
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If you say so, except, HOW? How do I use him to promote myself on this forum? What am I even promoting? For the most part, like KF, I log on here for amusement and to chat with a few friends…
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and probably in the CMA community.
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I like that you used “probably”. At least you admit you have no idea. Here’s the straight stuff, I don’t even deal with the CMA community. We don’t do forms, they don’t fight, we have no common interest…
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You don’t use him to promote yourself in the MMA community, because they think kung fu is a joke(good master or bad master).
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I don’t “use” my master in ANY WAY. Other than I have his picture in his altar in my school and the obvious fact that he is my teacher…
[QUOTE=The Xia;717549]What about the “real deal” CMA people you met over the years? Not the bottom of the barrel that some MMA people think represents all Kung Fu. For example, you praised the Shuai Jiao folks you trained with. What about them? What about Wong Ching and that crowd? Hows about Adam Hsu? How were the grips of these martial artists?[/QUOTE]
Sorry, to me Shuai Jiao people are GRAPPLERS… much more in common with MMA people that with the run of the mill TCMA crowd
For ONE Wong Ching there has to be 5000 TCMA teachers who haven’t the foggiest on what fighting is about
I found Adam Hus skilled at sword, knowledgable about history, had excellent theory and application knowledge, but I never found him to be much of a fighter. His student Janet who fought originally trained with Lai Hung. Not to start an argument, but I felt he fighting was already pretty established by the time she changed schools
[QUOTE=gabe;717451]So the eye gouge sevenstar mentioned was part of that 1%? According to your theory, the eyegouge sevenstar mentioned should never have worked right?[/quote]
for all practical purposes, it didn’t work. He still lost the fight. And the guy he gouged not only beat him with one eye, but beat his opponent after that.
Really skilled fighters make the improbable work.
Not necessarily. Really skilled fighters maximize the probable. keep it simple.
So does chance and luck. And shockingly, so does hard training. Not all illegal techniques are impossible to train. Do some searches and you’ll see plenty of improbable or so-called low percentage techniques working quite well.
what do you consider well, and where are they working? against whom?
The point is, just because some techniques are not suitable for the ring doesn’t mean they are not effective.
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;717543]Re-read some of the posts. They are LOW PERCENTAGE and they won’t work if you don’t have a “delivery system”. They won’t be of any use to you if you can’t block a hook, avoid a takedown or escape a bottom position
I think you ignored the entire second part of my post about how we are NOT talking about elite fighters. Anyone with a few months basic ground fighting training is gonna counter your “tricks”[/QUOTE]
You call them “tricks.” KF and I call them effective techniques- that happen to be restricted from competition. And again, are you saying that all those great grapplers, and I’m not being sarcastic, are never in a position during a UFC match where they might be hit with a headbutt? Whether on the ground or within a clinch. Did you think that maybe they might never prepare for that because they are against the rules. How do you know they are low percentage? They are banned. Like I said before, take a real grappler, add a headbutt to his game and see if it’s still low percentage.
I don’t think anyone has said that a delivery system is not needed. Is your argument then that CMA’s don’t provide a delivery system? I think your teacher would disagree. Oh yeah, CMA’s that work aren’t really TMA’s in your book. I think you are now just as guilty at the strawman deal.
[QUOTE=Fu-Pow;717513]Let me give you an example. In Taiji punches we hit with fist, elbow, shoulder. It is all one movement, if the fist misses the head, then then elbow hits the chest and the if that misses then the shoulder drives into the body.[/quote]
boxing coach freddie roach has been quoted as saying “If a good hook misses, the elbow lands”
However, fist, then elbow to the body, followed by a shoulder? that makes me think that the initial “punch” is really more of a push. Is that so? Is there a clip somewhere where I can see that and get a better understanding?
It is no wonder then that most kung fu fighters end up looking like “kick boxers” in the ring. In those moments when they might have chosen another anatomical weapon they will go back to what fits within the rules not what is most expedient…which is what you would want to use in a real fight.
why is there no venue to cover these differences? they don’t seem to be taken care of in san shou and shuai chiao.
nah - FP mentioned elbowing and shouldering - even though shouldering is not illegal in any venue I know of. in kickboxing, you can’t elbow at all, and in some muay thai as well. However, doesn’t san shou have this same limitation? so to FP’s point, why not have a venue that allows such?
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;717556]If you say so, except, HOW? How do I use him to promote myself on this forum? What am I even promoting? For the most part, like KF, I log on here for amusement and to chat with a few friends…
[SIZE=“5”]Who has the banner
“I am a disciple of the late Chan Tai San, a true master of Chinese martial art.”[/SIZE]
I like that you used “probably”. At least you admit you have no idea. Here’s the straight stuff, I don’t even deal with the CMA community. We don’t do forms, they don’t fight, we have no common interest…
[SIZE=“5”]Have you ever written an article about Chinese Martial Arts in a Chinese Martial Arts based magazine? If yes, were you knocking CMA like you do in this forum?
What about “Chan Tai San Stories”?[/SIZE]
I don’t “use” my master in ANY WAY. Other than I have his picture in his altar in my school and the obvious fact that he is my teacher…
[SIZE=“5”]Who has the banner
“I am a disciple of the late Chan Tai San, a true master of Chinese martial art.”
You acting like that does not give you any props in the CMA community. CMA Challengers would think twice before challenge you; one reason being who your teacher was and how powerful he was.[/SIZE]
Who has the banner
“I am a disciple of the late Chan Tai San, a true master of Chinese martial art.”
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Actually, it’s a sig line :rolleyes:
But again, I AM a disciple of CTS… so what exactly is your point?
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Have you ever written an article about Chinese Martial Arts in a Chinese Martial Arts based magazine?
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Dear lord, new kid on the block? Only about 60 articles over the years…
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If yes, were you knocking CMA like you do in this forum?
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Depends upon your definition of “knocking”? I like to think of my posts as “wake the F up and smell the coffee”… but some people prefer to stay asleep :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Flying-Monkey;717548]You sure do use him to promote youself on this forum and probably in the CMA community. You don’t use him to promote yourself in the MMA community, because they think kung fu is a joke(good master or bad master).[/QUOTE]
As Omar said, if anything, Ross promotes his teacher’s memory- probably because he is proud and happy of the time he spent with him. Ross gets nothing out of the deal. It’s not like he gets people from here flocking to his school when he posts about hm.
[QUOTE=gabe;717531]Now, KF, if you really focused on eyegouging at all opportunties you can find or create in your training program, I bet you’d get pretty **** good at it. And I bet your grappling game would be completely different if headbutts or biting were allowed.[/QUOTE]
Exactly… the MMA paradigm would be perfect for that… all you’d need to would be to use some type of eye protection system and train the same as you would for MMA.
Same goes for biting and headbutts.
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;717601]Actually, it’s a sig line :rolleyes:
But again, I AM a disciple of CTS… so what exactly is your point?
Dear lord, new kid on the block? Only about 60 articles over the years…
Depends upon your definition of “knocking”? I like to think of my posts as “wake the F up and smell the coffee”… but some people prefer to stay asleep :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
You are a disciple of CTS… Ok. Why display it. I am a disciple of Chan Kai Leung. I do not brag.
If you want to poke at semantics (banner & signature), what is the reason for displaying I am a disciple of CTS? Why not just have “CTS was great and powerful MAist: a true master of Chinese martial arts.”?
I probably have read some of your articles. They were probably well written and informative. You are promoting CMA by showing the goodness in it.
Dude, if you read our exchange again you will see my point. If you do not, ask me and I will try to rewrite it in a way you can understand. You being a smartass is not cool. I am not Green Cloud; I will not put up with that sh!t. We can talk about our ideas like adults.
You being a smartass is not cool. I am not Green Cloud; I will not put up with that sh!t. [/QUOTE]
Did I mis - quote you? I expect a challenge any momment now, since I’m such a smartass…
HOnestly, my take, either you understand what I’m saying or you don’t. Either you agree with me or you don’t. Obviously, a lot of people don’t get what I’m saying, and a lot get freaked out… but honeslty I don’t care… I don’t consider facts “bragging” nor do I consider the truth an insult…
[QUOTE=Flying-Monkey;717617]What does this post mean?[/QUOTE]
I think it means “those who hold onto myths and fairy tales will never relinquish their grip on them, no matter the facts presented.”
Either/both camp(s) hang onto their own myths and fairy tales. If someone is really approaching their training with “eyes wide open,” then they’ll see past the stories. If they’re only coming in with one eye open, focused on their particular camp, they’ll miss the reality of what the other camp may offer. If they’re training with “eyes wide shut,” then it doesn’t matter what anyone says, and only real-time, full-contact failure is going to wake them up.
