Traditional Shaolin WINNING NHB????

[system]

Now were geting to the meat of things!!

You said,

2. Many of the techniques that I would use could be very dangerous if not fatal. I have no desire to inflict such pain and mayhem on anyone.

I think this is one of the reasons as well. most NHB fighters generally punch, kick or grappel. the take down and wrestle phenomenon is directly related to the fighters themselves NOT wanting to hurt thier opponents. Every one here should be able to get behind a guy and smash thier floating ribs into the kidney, right? I’m sure the modern boys can do this as well. In fact, I distinctly remember a Pancration promoter asking that this NOT be done, even though it is allowed. I think the modern NHB MMA fighters are trained in less lethal kick boxing BJJ skills and are therfore less afraid of actually killing or seriously injuring thier opponents, where as We ARE afraid of that.

I remember lossing a full contact (Mid west rules) fight once. I actually got slaughtered. BUT during that fight, I had access to my opponents back many times. I could easily hit the back of the neck and floating rib or spine if I wanted too. I did’nt because rules and humanity prevented me from doing so. I had many oppertunitys for trips and take downs that I just let slide because of the rules. BUT, if it HAD been a NHB or close to it, I STILL would not have taken many of those shots because I would not want to be responsible for maiming my friends and brothers. (Please keep in mind I was knocked out with the first punch through gear, so I’m NOT trying to say I could have won under different rules, I was still outclassed in this fight, I’m trying to make a different point.)

Well, I’m outta time now!!

Comments anyone?

Royal Dragon

[system]

So let’s sum it up.
The top 10 reasons good Kung Fu guys haven’t shown up in NHB:

1. Don’t know about it.
2. Don’t want bragging rights.
3. Don’t want to promote another organization besides kung fu/san da/san shou/kuo shu.
4. Don’t train that way (hard enough, ground oriented, or just not a professional athelete).
5. Too many rules.
6. Don’t want to kill anybody.
7. Don’t enjoy fighting.
8. Don’t care about competition/sport.
9. Don’t have the oportunity to enter.
10. Aren’t ready yet.

Decent summary of what we’ve been discussing?
.

[system]

That and not being able to FIND a Sifu willing to or capable of training someone to fight at THAT level.

I have been studying this problem for a wile now, and I have come to the conclusion that most Kung Fu schools drag out the beginning training so all the real hard core fight types leave and end up in BJJ or Lion’s Den type schools. Plus, I don’t think most Sifu’s are capable of training someone to that level, or if they are, they lack the desire.

The real talent leaves and the desire to train them is’nt there if they stayed anyway. And those few San Shou/Kou Shou fighters that ARE at that level fall into a nitch and just don’t bother to think out side the lines and fight out of thier norm.

Blammo guys, we finnaly figured it out!!!

[system]

Royal Dragon

Actually for me it is not a nationalistic thing for me I am a white American and my Sifu is Brazilian and his Sifu was a Brazilian who learned in Taiwan. Actually my Sigung avocated going out and starting fights in the streets and bars if you felt the art doesn’t work and see for yourself. I feel like Kungfu is the art I practice so it is the art I am going to promote. If we compete in NHB comps and do great that will help promote NHB comps but if we fight in our own venues and put on a great show that will do more for Kungfu in the long line. Also if I need to prove something to myself there is plenty of people in Kankakee for me to fight I don’t need to pay alot of expense to go compete in faraway tournaments for this. Me competing in CMA events would be for the reason of meeting new people that have a passion like I do for this art not a proving ground.

Witness the Dynasty!!!
New Site! www.shaolindynasty.cjb.net

[system]

I’m sorry but..

If your gonna fight me and your intent is to draw
blood, I’m not going limit myself. If your intent is hostile, I’ll show you what hostility is all about.

[system]

Uh reemul,
I’m sure we all appreciate the comment, but what does your post have to do with answering the question of “Why don’t you see many Kung Fu guys in the modern MMA NHB competitions, and why don’t the few that do fight, do poorly”?

[system]

Check this post out. http://members.boardhost.com/xinyi/msg/2200.html

Comments anyone?

Royal Dragon

Royaldragon.4dw.com

[system]

I am wondering how many out there feel the same as this individual. I know that this trend cannot be good for Kung Fu. I think we will need to see Kung Fu guys doing good against the NHB MMA crowd. Just in the interest of promoting our art.

Coments anyone?

Check out the Royal Dragon Web site

Royaldragon.4dw.com

[system]

umm did you get my e-mail Royal Dragon?

I kinda think the fact that we’re not well represented isn’t great for business with the people who wanna become fighters. However, with the baby boomers and people looking for a new hobby, it might be a plus.

Honestly, I think a lot of the kung fu higher-ups could care less.

[Wrestelen]

wing tsun

Hey,
I can try to do a little answer to the question asked in the title of the topic.
I spent time in grappling and muay thai training for 3 years, and fight in MMA with friends, and now i am learning wing tsun.

I don’t know shaolin kung fu and other sort of kung fu, so i cannot talk about it.
About wing tsun, every thing you do is what you want to do when you are attacked for real in street. So the goal is more defensive, that means :
-You don’t want to go to the ground with your opponent, not like in grappling, but stay stand up, to be able to escape. When your opponent is in the ground and you are not, in wing tsun, it is like you win, because in real then you can escape.
-The kick in the groin is really important in the system, every step you do is about that, and it changes a lot of things if you don’t allow to kick in the groin.
-you are always forwarding, you dont go back, it is not like in the ring where you have time to do a long war, it is about a short, expeditive war.

MMA is the total opposite that wing tsun. Is tried wing tsun in MMA with friends, it works, but in competition, it is unusefull, or usefull but not determinent. Because if you put your opponent on the ground and you are not with him, the how can you do a submission ? If you are really close to the guy, sure wing tsun technics works but you are not allowed to kick or punch him on the groind, so the blocks you learnt are unusefull. In a street fight, a close range combat can be hard without rules (headshots, groin, poke the eyes …) but in mma, sometimes it is like to have a rest to be at this distant.

MMA works in street but it is not the most adapted. Because there is too much grappling in the system. I like grappling, but sometimes it is dangerous to grapple a guy in street, because you can be blocked with him, or fall to the ground, really dangerous if it is a generalized fight with many people of if the guy have may be a knife or somehting else. Look the Gracie fights at the beginning of the UFC, sometimes Royce spent 3 minutes before submitting a guy who doesnt know the ground fight. Do you think you cand do that every time in street ? Sometimes in street you juste have 4-5 secondes to fight and escape really fast if it doesnt work…

[David_Jamieson]

bwahahaahaha.

Mr. one post here would like to teach you all a lesson here. :rolleyes:

[Sal_Canzonieri]

[QUOTE=Royal Dragon;28402]Hello,
I have been perusing some other boards of the MMA variety lately, and I have to tell you, the opinion of Kung Fu’s abilitys is VERY VERY low. It seem’s the consensus is that Kung Fu (regaurdless of style) is nothing more than some sort of martial based Yoga.

They can (and do) site instance after instace where kung Fu guys get slaughtered in NHB fights. They poke fun at the whole Eye poking/throat ripping thing and just about every thing else.

My question is this,
Can traditionally trainned Kung Fu fighters hold thier own against todays MMA fighters. If so, site examples of this occuring, I need examples that the MMA crowd would hve to admit to

Also, why do yu think we have NOT seen a much greater number of traditionally trained Kung Fu fighters even IN the ring let alone doing well?. Don’t give me Budhist religious philosiphy as reasons, many of Kung Fu’s systems were developed by ruthless undergroud societs and many family systems exist that surley would NOT fall under religious influance, right?

Lastly, when do you think, or what would it take before we DO see a larger number of traditional Kung Fu fighters doing well in the rings of NHB/MMA?

Royal Dragon

Ps, I’m posting here as apposed to the Kung Fu forum, because I am looking for serious disusion, not a bashing war from the MMA’s or responses from trolls.[/QUOTE]

It’s a marketing campaign, plain and simple.
If they didn’t do so, no one would ever care about MMA.

They started rumors that KF (and Karate by the way) sucks and that their practitioners were being “slaughtered” in MMA matches.

Now, as everyone in marketing knows, if you say something often enough and in as many places as possible, the implanted rumor or false truth will spread by word of mouth and become “virtually” True".

Name ONE person that is exclusively a CMA practitioner that was publicly “slaughtered” in MMA matches.
There are none, since none entered any such tournaments.

CMA has had MMA matches of their own for hundreds of years, first in the Leitai platform matches, and then in the Sanshou matches.

Put a person that was trained exclusively in MMA into a full contact Sanshou match following rules that he never learned and methods he never trained in and lets see who well he does.
And guess what, no MMA person has every entered any such matches.

I’ve beaten MMA trained people on tour with my band in other countries, friendly matches, but I still was able to, me then in my late 40s, they in their late 20s. One was even Chinese.

See, MMA is a subset of CMA anyways, there is nothing they do that was not already done before.

And, now that MMA has been around long enough, they already are losing students as they get into their 30s because they can’t take the Gladiator type training forever.
And guess where they are going to? Traditional Martial Arts schools.
Ask around, I’ve been hearing from different schools that enrollment is up more than ever since last year as MMA has matured and people who became bored of it or who damaged their bodies by constant wear.

What is good about CMA is that it has a health component (qigong) that is wedded to a self defense component, and thus can be used by all types of people, strong and weak, young and old, ill or healthy.
MMA can not offer that, it is the domain of the “super guy” in his 20s and early 30s, there is a big drop off after that.

CMA was created to deal with sudden ambush, to get out of the way of the incoming attack and trapping it so that the attacker hurts himself.
MMA has nothing to do with that, it’s a sport.
So, it IS comparing apples and oranges (more like apples and rocks).

Case in point, there was an MMA champ in Atlantic City on line, he somehow got into an altercation, and the other person, much smaller in height and built knocked him out with a strike. This was about 3-4 years ago.
So there.

[Hardwork108]

[QUOTE=Wrestelen;986027]Hey,
I can try to do a little answer to the question asked in the title of the topic.
I spent time in grappling and muay thai training for 3 years, and fight in MMA with friends, and now i am learning wing tsun.

I don’t know shaolin kung fu and other sort of kung fu, so i cannot talk about it.
About wing tsun, every thing you do is what you want to do when you are attacked for real in street. So the goal is more defensive, that means :
-You don’t want to go to the ground with your opponent, not like in grappling, but stay stand up, to be able to escape. When your opponent is in the ground and you are not, in wing tsun, it is like you win, because in real then you can escape.
-The kick in the groin is really important in the system, every step you do is about that, and it changes a lot of things if you don’t allow to kick in the groin.
-you are always forwarding, you dont go back, it is not like in the ring where you have time to do a long war, it is about a short, expeditive war.

MMA is the total opposite that wing tsun. Is tried wing tsun in MMA with friends, it works, but in competition, it is unusefull, or usefull but not determinent. Because if you put your opponent on the ground and you are not with him, the how can you do a submission ? If you are really close to the guy, sure wing tsun technics works but you are not allowed to kick or punch him on the groind, so the blocks you learnt are unusefull. In a street fight, a close range combat can be hard without rules (headshots, groin, poke the eyes …) but in mma, sometimes it is like to have a rest to be at this distant.

MMA works in street but it is not the most adapted. Because there is too much grappling in the system. I like grappling, but sometimes it is dangerous to grapple a guy in street, because you can be blocked with him, or fall to the ground, really dangerous if it is a generalized fight with many people of if the guy have may be a knife or somehting else. Look the Gracie fights at the beginning of the UFC, sometimes Royce spent 3 minutes before submitting a guy who doesnt know the ground fight. Do you think you cand do that every time in street ? Sometimes in street you juste have 4-5 secondes to fight and escape really fast if it doesnt work…[/QUOTE]

Very good post and your observations are very relevant and interesting.

By the way, welcome to the forum.

[Hardwork108]

[QUOTE=David Jamieson;986028]bwahahaahaha.

Mr. one post here would like to teach you all a lesson here. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

He made many valid points.

What is WRONG with you?

Why make unprovoked comments like that to a newbie who put forward a valid take on the subject matter of this thread?

Do you have that much hate inside you?

:rolleyes:

[Hardwork108]

[QUOTE=Sal Canzonieri;986055]It’s a marketing campaign, plain and simple.
If they didn’t do so, no one would ever care about MMA.

They started rumors that KF (and Karate by the way) sucks and that their practitioners were being “slaughtered” in MMA matches.

Now, as everyone in marketing knows, if you say something often enough and in as many places as possible, the implanted rumor or false truth will spread by word of mouth and become “virtually” True".

Name ONE person that is exclusively a CMA practitioner that was publicly “slaughtered” in MMA matches.
There are none, since none entered any such tournaments.

CMA has had MMA matches of their own for hundreds of years, first in the Leitai platform matches, and then in the Sanshou matches.

Put a person that was trained exclusively in MMA into a full contact Sanshou match following rules that he never learned and methods he never trained in and lets see who well he does.
And guess what, no MMA person has every entered any such matches.

I’ve beaten MMA trained people on tour with my band in other countries, friendly matches, but I still was able to, me then in my late 40s, they in their late 20s. One was even Chinese.

See, MMA is a subset of CMA anyways, there is nothing they do that was not already done before.

And, now that MMA has been around long enough, they already are losing students as they get into their 30s because they can’t take the Gladiator type training forever.
And guess where they are going to? Traditional Martial Arts schools.
Ask around, I’ve been hearing from different schools that enrollment is up more than ever since last year as MMA has matured and people who became bored of it or who damaged their bodies by constant wear.

What is good about CMA is that it has a health component (qigong) that is wedded to a self defense component, and thus can be used by all types of people, strong and weak, young and old, ill or healthy.
MMA can not offer that, it is the domain of the “super guy” in his 20s and early 30s, there is a big drop off after that.

CMA was created to deal with sudden ambush, to get out of the way of the incoming attack and trapping it so that the attacker hurts himself.
MMA has nothing to do with that, it’s a sport.
So, it IS comparing apples and oranges (more like apples and rocks).

Case in point, there was an MMA champ in Atlantic City on line, he somehow got into an altercation, and the other person, much smaller in height and built knocked him out with a strike. This was about 3-4 years ago.
So there.[/QUOTE]

Also a great post. When one looks into the story while taking into account the economics/marketing/money trail of the whole MMA machine, things become clearer.

Actually, looking into any other event, including political and military, using a similar perspective will also clarify the TRUTH behind whatever event one is looking at.

HW108

[Songshan]

In regards to Royal Dragons request for info. A lot of traditional martial arts practitioners wouldn’t touch the MMA competitions because once you start putting rules, gloves and restrictions it’s not a NHB fight. Traditional martial arts was meant for the ultimate self defense…ending for one result…usually death.

That being said, I also think because out of thousands and thousands of martial art schools that are out there only a few are good. If you are just learning form after form with no concept of application then there is a problem. How many forms do we learn where we truly understand and comprehend the techniques?

Again, the UFC/MMA have just about enough drama and phony stuff in it as professional entertainment wrestling. To be quite honest NHB matches and events are down right illegal in most states. Not everyone who learns the traditional styles are eager to go jump in MMA/NHB matches. It’s more personal and goes beyond winning matches.

[Scott_R_Brown]

[QUOTE=Sal Canzonieri;986055]It’s a marketing campaign, plain and simple.
If they didn’t do so, no one would ever care about MMA…

…Case in point, there was an MMA champ in Atlantic City on line, he somehow got into an altercation, and the other person, much smaller in height and built knocked him out with a strike. This was about 3-4 years ago.
So there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hardwork108;986075]Also a great post. When one looks into the story while taking into account the economics/marketing/money trail of the whole MMA machine, things become clearer.

Actually, looking into any other event, including political and military, using a similar perspective will also clarify the TRUTH behind whatever event one is looking at.

HW108[/QUOTE]

I have been acquainted with John Hackleman (Chuck Liddell’s trainer) for many many years. Back in the beginning of Gracie’s MMA onslaught John was a West Coast full contact fighter/Champion.

On one occasion during a conversation about MMA John mentioned that he had tried to participate in the first few Gracie events and was not permitted to compete!

So taking on all comers suddenly looked a lot like stacking the deck!

[Hitman]

Royal Dragon
“My question is this,
Can traditionally trainned Kung Fu fighters hold thier own against todays MMA fighters. If so, site examples of this occuring, I need examples that the MMA crowd would hve to admit to”

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_7

"UFC 7 featured an eight-man tournament, a UFC Superfight Championship match between reigning UFC Champion Ken Shamrock and UFC 6 tournament winner Oleg Taktarov, and three alternate fights, which were not shown on the live pay-per-view broadcast. The tournament had no weight classes, or weight limits. Each match had no rounds, but a 20 minute time limit was imposed for the quarterfinal and semi-final round matches in the tournament. The finals of the tournament and the Superfight had a 30 minute time limit and, if necessary, a five minute overtime.

Consistent with early UFC events, the time limit was not followed as the Superfight only featured a three minute overtime, perhaps due to pay-per-view time constraints. Regardless of this, the show ran over its three hour pay-per-view slot, cutting off viewers from seeing the final match. The referee for the night was ‘Big’ John McCarthy. Michael Buffer served as the guest ring announcer for the night.

Marco Ruas won the tournament by defeating Paul Varelans.

[edit] Results
[edit] Alternate bouts
Onassis Parungao vs. Francesco Maturi
Parungao wins by submission due to strikes at 5:26. "

2. http://www.wongkiewkit.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-1241.html

"This was on KFO about “O” Onassis from kwoon when he fought in UFC 7.I thought it would be cool to talk about here with our members.

http://cykwoon.freewebspace.com/images/o_oct1_tek.jpg

http://cykwoon.freewebspace.com/images/o_oct2_tek.jpg

Here’s what “O” himself had to say.

I was doing what I had to in order to win. I didn’t think specifically about any style…and why would I? But Yes, during the stand up portion of the fight I did use some Hung Gar to lay hands on him to set up the takedown.

Besides, if Kung fu means “Hard Work” then everybody is doing KF. Haha.

In 1995, I was the smallest guy in the UFC 7 tourney = 180lbs (at that time there were not weight divisions). Everybody else was at least 250lbs +. I felt lucky to be picked out of 5000 applicants anyway. I won my alternate match but never got the chance to move on because nobody in the main draw got injured.

The only thing that P-ssed me off was the head guy from SEG sports and Don Wilson had bet against me. After the fight at the dinner they smiled at me and said, “Hey you made me lose money, I bet against you”. I laughed, but inside I was saying good for you Bast-ard!

Shortly after that I was offered a fully paid ride to go to Japan and be in a training camp to fight in the Pancrase. The mans name was Takeya Oitate. I would have done it too, but I had just gotten married. Actually the UFC fight was 8 days before my wedding. Luckily I didn’t have any marks for the pictures. But still, there was no way after just getting married that I was gonna go alone to Japan. Haha, don’t turn me loose in one of those bath houses w/ all the hot women! Haha, I would’ve had a hard time staying faithful.

Then I went to the Russian Ultimate II. It was a two day tourney and I made it past the 1st round. On the second day, I lost to Richardo Morais, actually, I tapped early out of frustration. I wasn’t actually hurt, I just never trained to fight anyone as big as him before. The announcer questioned me afterward and wondered why I stopped it. The knees weren’t actually hurting me, they were hitting me on the top of the head with his meaty part of his thigh. And I could have escaped from it easily. The plain hard fact was, I didn’t have it in me to finish the fight after I was going to escape or reverse it, so I decided I wasn’t ready and just tapped.

It will always be a skeleton in the closet for me. But at least Richardo went on to win the whole thing, so for that I feel better.

It’s been almost ten years since then and I’ve matured allot. For sure I’m a much better fighter now then I was back then. But for me, the more I train, the less I have to prove. Does that sound odd?

I’m mostly a HG kung fu guy now I guess, but I use the Filippino mentality of applying it halo halo…it means “mix mix”. In other words, I might be doing kf, but I’ll do whatever it takes to win if I have to.

Last thoughts,

You have to understand that fighting in these events is a different reality"

3. http://cykwoon.freewebspace.com/about.html

"School Origins
Cheng Yee Hung Gar Kung Fu School

Onassis Parungao “Gao Bat Long” has been practicing martial arts for over 25 yrs and had the pleasure of being an instructor at Lam Kwong Wings school in Sunnyvale California <http://www.wle.com/kungfu/grandmaster_winglam&gt;

During his time Gao Sifu was a senior student who aided Lam Si Gung in many demonstrations and won full contact fighting championships in his name.
Originally, Gao Sifu traveled west to further his ongoing training under Lam Si Gung. After many years of training, he decided it was time to return to his roots and share his knowledge for the benefit of the people and for the posterity of the styles. This has always been his desire.

We teach two types of Chinese martial arts, Southern Hung Gar and Tai Chi Chuan. Both of which are comprehensive systems, including empty-hand techniques, weapons, lion dance and internal power.

Instructors
Parungao Sifu

Onassis Parungao was born in Rota Spain 1/2 Spanish & 1/2 Filipino descent (Mestiso) These are the STRONGEST experiences in my Martial background:

1.Tung Kong Kalan (Arnis de Mano) Began training at age 8. A Philippine empty hand fighting art.

2. Judo

3. Wrestling Team Co-Capt. Team State Champions, Bronze Medal individual

4. NHB in an Octagon 3x’s:

• UFC 7 as an alternate 1-0
• The Russian Ultimate II 1-1

5. San Shou Chinese Full Contact Free Fighting in the US.

• Champion 85kg, Ohio US Invitational 97’. John Ervin tourney
• Champion 85kg, 1st International Eagle Cup 98’. Lily Lau in San Francisco
• Trained at Shaolin Temple and certified in San Da 98’.

6. Sun Tai Chi and Yang

7. Hung Gar Kuen kung fu since 84’

Chinese Martial/Arts are his primary passion

Jon Mroz Si Hing"

[GeneChing]

Shaolin in UFC 111 & 112

UFC 111
We’ve discussed Dan Hardy here.

UFC 111 St-Pierre vs. Hardy
March 27 2010 Prudential Center Newark, New Jersey
Two world titles will be on the line for the first time in 2010 when the Ultimate Fighting Championship returns to the Prudential Center in Newark, New Jersey for UFC 111: St-Pierre vs Hardy. UFC welterweight champion Georges St-Pierre has been unstoppable since regaining the title in 2008, and he aims on extending his reign and his six fight winning streak against British bomber Dan “The Outlaw” Hardy, who is unbeaten in the UFC and fresh off wins over Marcus Davis and Mike Swick.

Also, former two-time heavyweight champion Frank Mir will attempt to make history when he squares off against number one contender Shane Carwin in a clash of the titans that will leave the winner with the interim UFC heavyweight championship belt. UFC 111 – Saturday, March 27th, live on Pay-Per-View from Newark, New Jersey.

Tickets now on sale at Ticketmaster.com

The official host hotel for UFC® 111 is the Affinia Manhattan. Reserve rooms before February 25 to take advantage of the special UFC group rate. Call 888-AFFINIA or visit www.affinia.com and use group code ULTIMA.

Fight Card

Georges St-Pierre
Rush
5’ 10" (178 cm)
170 (77 kg)
19-2-0

Dan Hardy
The Outlaw
6’ 0" (183 cm)
170 (77 kg)
23-6-0, 1 NC

Frank Mir
6’ 3" (191 cm)
240 (109 kg)
13-4-0

Shane Carwin
6’ 5" (196 cm)
265 (120 kg)
11-0-0

Martin Kampmann
The Hitman
6’ 0" (183 cm)
170 (77 kg)
16-3-0

Ben Saunders
Killa B
6’ 3" (191 cm)
170 (77 kg)
8-1-2

Jon Fitch
6’ 0" (183 cm)
170 (77 kg)
24-3-0, 1 NC

Thiago Alves
Pit bull
5’ 9" (175 cm)
170 (77 kg)
22-5-0

Jim Miller
5’ 8" (173 cm)
155 (70 kg)
16-2-0

Mark Bocek
5’ 8" (173 cm)
155 (70 kg)
8-2-0

Nate Diaz
6’ 0" (183 cm)
155 (70 kg)
11-5-0

Rory Markham
5’ 11" (180 cm)
170 (77 kg)
16-5-0

Ricardo Almeida
Big Dog
6’ 0" (183 cm)
185 (84 kg)
11-3-0

Matt Brown
The Immortal
6’ 0" (183 cm)
170 (77 kg)
13-7-0

Kurt Pellegrino
Batman
5’ 8" (173 cm)
155 (70 kg)
20-4-0

Fabricio Camoes
Morango
5’ 10" (178 cm)
155 (70 kg)
10-4-1

Rodney Wallace
Shonuff The Master
5’ 9" (175 cm)
205 (93 kg)
9-1-0

Jared Hamman
Switch
6’ 3" (191 cm)
205 (93 kg)
11-2-0

Rousimar Palhares
Toquinho
5’ 8" (173 cm)
185 (84 kg)
19-2-0

Tomasz Drwal
Gorilla
6’ 0" (183 cm)
185 (84 kg)
17-2-0

Matthew Riddle
6’ 1" (185 cm)
170 (77 kg)
3-1-0

Ricardo Funch
Golden Boy
5’ 10" (178 cm)
170 (77 kg)
7-1-0

Nick Ospiczak also claims Shaolin kung fu as his foundation - here’s his official site.

Nick Osipczak Vs. Rick Story A Maybe For UFC 112
By Mark Wayne | February 03, 2010
Nick Osipczak Vs. Rick Story A Maybe For UFC 112 MMAJunkie.com is reporting that “The Ultimate Fighter: United States Vs. United Kingdom” alum and Team Rough House product Nick Osipczak (5-0) could take on fellow welterweight up and comer Rick Story (9-3) at UFC 112 in April. The bout agreements have yet to be signed but the fight is reportedly close to being set.

Hailing from London and fighting out of Nottingham, England, Nick Osipczak looks to continue his impressive UFC run by scoring a win over the very tough Rick Story. Formerly a professional gambler and Shaolin Kung Fu practitioner, Osipczak is also a training partner to UK standouts Paul Daley, Ross Pearson, Andre Winner and welterweight title contender Dan Hardy. He last fought at “UFC 105: Couture Vs. Vera” where he removed Matt Riddle from undefeated status via TKO due to strikes.

Rick Story has earned his share of accolades during his three fight tenure with the UFC. At UFC 103 the Braveheart Gym Fight Club representative earned Submission of the Night and Fight of the Night in a memorable scrap with Brian Foster. The fight was so memorable that it made it to number seven on the UFC’s “Ten Best Fights of 2009” list. Story is coming off of a hard fought unanimous decision win over Jesse Lennox.

UFC 112 will take place on April 10 at the Ferrari World outdoor concert arena on Yas Island in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates. Headlining the card will be two title matches pitting Anderson Silva against Vitor Belfort for the middleweight crown and BJ Penn against Frankie Edgar for the lightweight strap.

[Sardinkahnikov]

[QUOTE=Sal Canzonieri;986055]It’s a marketing campaign, plain and simple.
If they didn’t do so, no one would ever care about MMA.

They started rumors that KF (and Karate by the way) sucks and that their practitioners were being “slaughtered” in MMA matches.

Now, as everyone in marketing knows, if you say something often enough and in as many places as possible, the implanted rumor or false truth will spread by word of mouth and become “virtually” True".

Name ONE person that is exclusively a CMA practitioner that was publicly “slaughtered” in MMA matches.
There are none, since none entered any such tournaments.

CMA has had MMA matches of their own for hundreds of years, first in the Leitai platform matches, and then in the Sanshou matches.

Put a person that was trained exclusively in MMA into a full contact Sanshou match following rules that he never learned and methods he never trained in and lets see who well he does.
And guess what, no MMA person has every entered any such matches.

I’ve beaten MMA trained people on tour with my band in other countries, friendly matches, but I still was able to, me then in my late 40s, they in their late 20s. One was even Chinese.

See, MMA is a subset of CMA anyways, there is nothing they do that was not already done before.

And, now that MMA has been around long enough, they already are losing students as they get into their 30s because they can’t take the Gladiator type training forever.
And guess where they are going to? Traditional Martial Arts schools.
Ask around, I’ve been hearing from different schools that enrollment is up more than ever since last year as MMA has matured and people who became bored of it or who damaged their bodies by constant wear.

What is good about CMA is that it has a health component (qigong) that is wedded to a self defense component, and thus can be used by all types of people, strong and weak, young and old, ill or healthy.
MMA can not offer that, it is the domain of the “super guy” in his 20s and early 30s, there is a big drop off after that.

CMA was created to deal with sudden ambush, to get out of the way of the incoming attack and trapping it so that the attacker hurts himself.
MMA has nothing to do with that, it’s a sport.
So, it IS comparing apples and oranges (more like apples and rocks).

Case in point, there was an MMA champ in Atlantic City on line, he somehow got into an altercation, and the other person, much smaller in height and built knocked him out with a strike. This was about 3-4 years ago.
So there.[/QUOTE]

"If we look at the world we see arts for sale. Men use equipment to sell their own selves.
As if with the nut and the flower, the nut has become less then the flower.
In this kind of strategy, both those teaching and those learning the way are concerned with
colouring and showing off their technique, trying to hasten the bloom of the flower.
They speak of “this Dojo” and “that Dojo”. They are looking for profit.

Someone once said “Immature strategy is the cause of grief”
That was a true saying"

(Miyamoto Musashi)