sounds like a double leg pick-up. We do this and go right into the mount-ground n’ pound.. I teach this, and a Tiger’s Mouth takedown-like the one you described in Ping Kuen, to my beginners and especially my kids. They love doing it, and for kids, it’s a fight ender.
well, beginner techniques are usually the most effective 
Eddie:
Don’t think that technique really has a name other than gong ma sow choy. There might be some helping word for the direction of the gong ma but I am not sure. I would guess there is also some poetic saying for the whole thing like “tiger exits cave, etc..” but I have never been into the poetic stuff because there is too much to remember already.
Peace.
both that technique and charng fu has a type of scissor element to it. leg goes one way, and arms goes another way. I like that.
other very cool techniques that are very effective are gwa chow, cheurng ahn choy charp choy (opening for che kuen) and is extremely practical, even in san da with gloves.
Stances - I like taking a ’ clasical’ kung fu stance for san da, mainly because its harder to get thrown if you are in a sei ping ma, than if you were to stand in a more square stance (like typical thai boxing stance), but the key is to know when and how to change your stance. I can execute most throws from a sei ping ma, and I can ajust my height in my stance quickly, which gives me the advantage of bobbing and weaving, while still having good balance.
I really really enjoy san da, and I really enjoy watching other people’s take on that. its so good to see good san da techniques comming from ’ traditional’ fighters, be it CLF, Shaolin, what ever.
Would you be so kind to define traditional kung fu.
I made a whole hour long video on traditional sparring and know one bought it. Kung Fu In Action and no one bought it.
dougadam,
thats the whole point of this thread.
I think there many people who understand what this topic is all about. :rolleyes:
HAHA i loved the chan yong fa vid
WAHHHHHNNNN
TWOOOOOOO
SREEEEEEEE
FOOOOOOOO
i grew up in chinatown, and along with my family the accent never gets old.
haha, he does it with authority got to put those exclamation marks in : P
WAHHHHHNNNN!
TWOOOOOOO!
SREEEEEEEE!
FOOOOOOOO!
STAND BY!
love his enthusiasm and intensity
-oh yeah what’s that jong(dummy) he’s using that rotates like a fan blade
that dummy with the blade thing really looks cool. i can imagine that it really works your speed.
anyone know of other videos from other masters showing technique and fighting training like that?
Chinese martial arts are made up of concepts and not move for move. Too many practitioners try to memorize a bunch of techniques that are used for various situations and do not try to understand the “formula” for the techniques. It is the “formula” which makes up the techniques that shows you the true essence of gung fu. If you do not “unlock the key” of the techniques, then you will not truely undersatnd gung-fu. This is where your forms training comes into play. The forms allow you to interpret the techniques in differnet ways, by feeling and seeing the applications with their respective energies. The forms are like sheets of music, containing all the notes stringed together in a pattern. Without the forms they are just random notes, it is up to us to put them together and create music. You can play the same notes on a Casio keyboard or on a grand paino, they will both sound very different but they are both the same notes. Your Sifu gives you the notes, but it is up to you to create your own song.
Traditional
I am currently practicing a traditional style of mantis and I must say, that is not how martial arts actually are. You are right, in the end fighting is fighting. It doesn’t matter whether you are a kick boxer or a style of any kung fu(even soft style). I admire all of martial arts as a whole. People out there just see videos like that and say, “Well I could fight better than that with no training.” That is more chorographed than practiced.
Jared, if you are trainnig SPM,for that matter, any traditional CMA under a qualified Sifu, then you are indeed one of the lucky ones. As my quote in the other post stated, don’t be concerned with what these other guys say or do, simply keep to your course. Sometimes, things are better left unsaid. You will eventually find people of like mind, who share your enthusiasm, viewpoints, and will encourage you to pursue your goals rather than try to drag you down to their way of thinking.
Kinda like Mexican Crabs-one can escape, but not two, because they drag each other down as soon as they try to climb out of the bucket.
But arguing with these guys is like arguing with an idiot: He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience!
I am not saying that MMA is bad, or ground fighting is bad. You need to learn these skills as well to be truly prepared to fight at all ranges. You can always get bumrushed, or blindsided, and must be prepared to deal with it and have the neccesary tools. But the myth that most fights end up on the ground is justthat-a myth. Sure, most schoolyard fights do, but “real grownup fights?” from what I’ve seen, one guy is on the ground 'cause the other guy lit him up. In many self-defense confrontations, rather than ego fueled chest thumping adolescent skirmishes, you will not be rolling around on the floor, you will be beaten to a bloddy pulp.
Again, you do need to learn these skills. Why? Because since the advent of MMA, more and more people are doing it. It’s in the media, on pay per view, in magazines, even in the New York Times. Between that and the popularity of pro wrestling, everybody and their uncle will try to ground 'n pound. When I was your age-manny moons ago, all we had to worry about was the wrestling jock, or football jock taking you down-and if it was the wrestler, you were basically fu(ked.
Now, everybody tries to do it, so you need another set of tools along with your regular tools.
In SPM, if we are facing each other, close eonough for me to hit you-I will. period.SPM is fast-blindingly fast (no pun intended) The strikes will completely disable you. I know it, you know it. That does not mean that someone can’t cover, rush in and go for the takedown, so I’d better know how to deal with it anyway.
My Sifu has been in SPM for over 39 years, and trained with the old man as well. And even he trains for grapplers, and rolls from time to time. So what does that tell you?
You call that sparring WHAT THE FREAK.:mad:
that isnt no sparring
is there a reason those people are like standing 10 feet away from each other.i scuk at fighting but those guys… ugh.. i cant even think up words to really explain how i feel. 
ten tigers
Nice post ten tigers, I think you are right in having the right set of skills and how you use these tools is very important in an ever changing game/ arena.
All those many moons ago did you just accept that if a wrestler took you down you were done for or did you train to fight back in that position? Was it to use your SPM in that range / floor or use it combined with wrestling / floor fighting also?
LOL Suil lum,
Like sheets of music common on man, yopu dont need forms to be a fighter, not martial art forms anyway. You need a partner, you need mits and pads, heavy bags, someone to beat you up and roll with. Tiger and crane, mantis fingers wont help you against a robot/cyborg. Too many people believe that the form is just fighting and they try and fight using the sequences out of the forms and get served. You dont need many tools to be a fighter, just some basics and work them well.
I dont call pad workouts forms by the way incase you going to say isnt pad and bag workouts just forms?
TT
Isnt hung gar fast and powerful enough?
Garry
FT=I originally dot into SPM because I noticed that their hands looked remarkably like the short hand techniques contained within my forms. I had felt that in my own personal training, and experience of many others’ Hung Kuen as well, that these skills were lacking somewhat. The more I learned, the more I saw the connections. Sometimes one needs to look outside to discover what was contained within. Sometimes, over time and circumstance (commercialization, catering to students, etc) skills are not emphacized, and even lost.
Hung Kuen is the original MMA, containing elements of short bridges, and long, with influence from Fukien Bak-Hok, as well as Lama/Hop-Ga, and in our own line, CLF as well. So “cross training” is accepted, as far as I am concerned.
Bottom line, it’s all about attributes, not techniques or forms. I know you can agree with that!
Ten Tigers I agree completely with you about the grappling these days, but I have taken more jiu jitzu than I have SPM so if I was taken to the ground I could go for that too.