(in no particular order)
- chyuun (if you want to put tsap/chaap as variant here, it falls under here too)
- pao (including all variants, short uppercut, pok yik pao)
- kup
- gwa
- hook punch (different lines call it different names)
:eek: YOU BITER!!!
[QUOTE=htowndragon;815700](in no particular order)
- chyuun (if you want to put tsap/chaap as variant here, it falls under here too)
- pao (including all variants, short uppercut, pok yik pao)
- kup
- gwa
- hook punch (different lines call it different names)[/QUOTE]
Pak Yick PO is not a variation of Pao. It is a PO.
As in Faahn Po, Pak Yik Po, Liu Po, etc.
A great technique in all variations, and certainly one of my favorites, but alas…not a Pao.
I would take out Gwa from your list and add So Choih. Then our lists would be the same. 
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;815704]:eek: YOU BITER!!![/QUOTE]
True, true.
BUT it was a bite-worthy thread. I used to get bored of many of your threads, especially your lineage wars with certain individuals, but your threads have been excellent lately. If this forum was to stick to stuff like this, we’d all be better off and probably get along better.
Peace Frank.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;815704]:eek: YOU BITER!!![/QUOTE]
well if you want to get all technical…i beleive you are doing his peoples art, so who the biter:eek:
well then we all are biters, except for me:D
[QUOTE=htowndragon;815700](in no particular order)
- chyuun (if you want to put tsap/chaap as variant here, it falls under here too)
- pao (including all variants, short uppercut, pok yik pao)
- kup
- gwa
- hook punch (different lines call it different names)[/QUOTE]
Are you referring to Steven Richard’s (of the UK) brand of “LionsRoar!”?
- jo
[QUOTE=htowndragon;815700](in no particular order)
- chyuun (if you want to put tsap/chaap as variant here, it falls under here too)
[/QUOTE]
not to jump all over you, but I wouldn’t characterize chaap as a variant of chyuhn, but rather a different category altogether: as I understand it the angle is different (e.g. - chyuhn shoots straight out from about the hip level, chaap comes from a bit higher, arcing downwards as it comes out), the footwork/stance is different (chyuhn usually has the opp. foot “lead” although the body is turned to a 45 deg. angle, versus chaap typically same side leg forward), the striking surface is different (chyuhn contacts with the extended proximal interphalange joint of the middle finger reinforced by the two on either side; chaap is more like a standard fist or “leopardpaw” configuration) and the set-up is different (e.g. - biin –> chyuhn vs. pon/deng –> chaap)
anyway, just an observation, discuss…
and as far as most deadly/destructive, I have only one thing to say:
BIU!!! (have to say it like a cranky old Toisan yahn, and then cackle afterwards)
Although Chaap Choih has several variations, depending on the instructor/lineage, it in NO WAY can be considered the same/same family as Chuyhn Choih. Not even a little bit.
And as Chris J. pointed out, it’s far beyond just the fact that their striking surfaces are completely different…
And BIU is no joke. I don’t think there is another style that uses Biu the same as Lama. I don’t even know if the Haap Ga or Baahk Hok people use it the same!
And BIU is no joke. I don’t think there is another style that uses Biu the same as Lama. I don’t even know if the Haap Ga or Baahk Hok people use it the same![/QUOTE]
Sorry, not too sure whether for BIU you are referring to BIU JEE, if that is what you are referring to, then don’t know the way you use it in Lama, but plenty in Pak Hok, especially Tit Lin.
Oh, I think it is the Haap Ga people that don’t use it the same…my mistake.
How many fingers do you use, when you do Biu in White Crane?
The more I ponder the question the more unclear my answer becomes. My most powerful punches currently are cup choi and deng choi. I have broken the chain once that holds the large uppercut bag I practice these on, so these 2 for sure are my personal best. My fastest strike is of course any in the chune choi motion, in a fight or match my most wanted to pull off is a chow choi to the head, the punch can truly end a fight with one swing.
All of the seed fist and their variations are forces to be reckoned with really, I don’t like to get hit with any of them and with enough practice they all can be lethal. The goal in TWC at my level is to work my way into the opponets core and hit them so hard it ends the fight.
The only TWC biu I have so far is the cassic upward angled 4 finger spear hand thrust, the tai chi guys call theirs white snake spits. I have a cotton needle world varitation and standard that goes on the end of a seed punch like short pak choi or a chune choi.
i got the chaap under chyuun categorization from david ross site.
we actually call it pok yik SAU as in hand, the pok yik po or whatever is once again from you guys site
in our line of hop ga we have certain hands empasized that others dont, such as gwa and chaap
[QUOTE=Lama Pai Sifu;815884]Oh, I think it is the Haap Ga people that don’t use it the same…my mistake.
How many fingers do you use, when you do Biu in White Crane?[/QUOTE]
No problem at all.
As per the fingers, based on what I’ve studied till now basically two and four fingers.
That is exactly what I mean; we use, in Lama, a one finger Biu. We have 2 and 4 fingers as well, but they are all used differently from the single finger.
I’ll film it soon.
[QUOTE=htowndragon;815970]i got the chaap under chyuun categorization from david ross site.
we actually call it pok yik SAU as in hand, the pok yik po or whatever is once again from you guys site
in our line of hop ga we have certain hands empasized that others dont, such as gwa and chaap[/QUOTE]
Yes, it is Pak Yik Po - but it’s not in the same grouping as the Pao Choihs.
my sifu had me copy some notes on the different hands, pok yee sau was one of the pau choihs
[QUOTE=Lama Pai Sifu;816001]That is exactly what I mean; we use, in Lama, a one finger Biu. We have 2 and 4 fingers as well, but they are all used differently from the single finger.
I’ll film it soon.[/QUOTE]
Interesting,
as for now (referred to what I’ve studied so far), I did also study an application of one finger BIU, but I am not too sure if it falls in the same catergory. It is definitely a finger technique and it is found in the Siu Ng Yin
Interesting
With both “Most Destructive Techniques” threads, no one mentioned any kicks…
To me, it would be Chyuhn Sum Teui, especially if you can incorporate a grab /pull with it.
Faahn Po and Liu Po, while not as ‘destructive’ are very sneaky attacks.
I do remember when starting out thinking Faahn Po was called Faan Po Pao due to the combination 
-David
in my opinion, kicks can get you in trouble unless the person you are kicking in on their back knocked out or covering up.
nah kicks are good, but you won’t always have the opportunity in the streets to use an effective kick. you can’t kick if you’re jammed up.