Tibetan Kung Fu Styles

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hi i m a Tibetan MA lover~! ^^
i train both bakhok(white crane) and lama.
my bakhok lineage-SingLung-WongLumHoi,ChiuChiYu-NgSiuChung-KwongBonFu-ChowChungYiu(VincentChow)-me
Lama Lineage-SingLung-WongYanLam-ChoiYit
Gung-GongYitGay-TonyJay-me
For me, Lama&BakHok is a same system, just different lineage.
why? because in my opinion, as long as it’s within same fighting priciple, it’s same arts. might train in different ways, but the goal is same.
what do u think?

p.s i’d like to get to know other tibetan lovers. after all we r all family~ ^^

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Hi
I was just wandering is Hop Gar a crane style?

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yes, hopgar is a offspring of lama
in mainland china, there’s no such style as lama, but there is this style called Xia-Jia Chuan(in cantonese it’s HOP-GAR KUEN). some say this is due to communist ppl in early 50’s killed tibetan-related ppl, this is why in mainland china SingLungJungLo is called by a chinese name(Li Hu-Zi)
Lineage SingLung-WongYanLam-WongHonWing-NgYimMing-…
there are some ancestors in SiJiHaau(Tibetan Lion’s Roar) lineage, whose nickname was Da-Xia-Ke(Big Knight) such as LiHuZi(SingLung), WongYanLam, WongLumHoi…
this is why our martial arts is also called
HopGar(XiaJia-Knight Family)!!!

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You can find a very detailed history of the Tibetan martial art at http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/9358

It will explain the splits and differences as well as lineages

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the URL above has very good information about
tibetan MA and lineage. by the way, there is
one false information, about WongYanLam and WongLumHoi.

WongYanLam&WongLumHoi are kung-fu brothers not blood-related brothers. Wong in WongYanLam is a Wong(which means King in chinese), and Wong in WongLumHoi is a Wong(which means Yellow, same as WongFeiHong)

Just to let you guys know~

PEACE~! ^^

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Actually, some people say they are blood brothers and use the same family name character, it’s a disagreement in the lineages. We keep to the version our sifu told. out of respect

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Hmm… no more Tibetan MA lovers out there???
Well, I guess they r too busy training. ^^

Why is tibetan MA not well-known to the public, although it is a highly-effective MA?

The answer is in the Question.
Since it is a deadly MA, it could be a serious weapon to harm others.This is the reason why the masters didn’t pass it on to whoever wants to learn. they pick the right students with the right mind.

We are Quality ppl, may not be a Quantity though. ^^

hmmm… just Q&A myself~
post some replies, bros~

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You say tibetian style is deadly. What evidence supports it?

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Does anyone know if the present Dalai Lama practises Lama Kung Fu, or any other style of Kung Fu for that matter?

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Chinese martial arts history is full of challenge matches. However, one stands up well above all the others and can be verified because it was chronicled in the Cantonese newspapers and is still widely discussed in TCMA circles.

In Canton City at the beginning of the 20th Century, a wooden stage was erected by Wong Yan Lam and an open challenge was made. Unlike other challenges, which were limited to a set time period or set number of challenges, this one was open. In fact, it ended up lasting weeks.

Wong Yan Lam defeated 150 challengers without a single loss. Many local fighters lost in matters of SECONDS. It remains the largest and most impressive challenge in TCMA.

Wong yan Lam was a master of Lion’s Roar/Lama Pai…

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WongYanLam(HuangYinLin)'s story was no joke,
it’s a legend based on the truth.
Another famous master was the founder of BakHokPai(Tibetan WhiteCrane), NgSuiChong(WuSuJong). He’s a 3rd generation Tibetan MA master(SingLung-ChuChiYu, WongLumHoi-NgSuiJung). When he founded a school in HK, he got into numerous challenges from various styles of local KF ppl.(including BakFangNgFu(Northern 5 tigers) WongSiuJiu) He’s well-known to accept any challenges and he considered any challenge that he couldn’t finish by 3 blows as a lost.
And he never lost.
This is why BakHokPai became very popular in HK with a short period of time, although it was a new foreign system.

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Warrenoh

Greetings. The last time a saw a Bak Hok master demo is back to a few years ago by Luk Chi Fu Sifu. (One of the Bak Hok Sarm Fu). He was performing the Mean Lui Jum (Needles in Cotton) and Ng Man Bill Sifu with a pole form. I’ll always remember that demo as it was very impressive.
I always belief that Ng Siu Chong trained under both Chu Chi Hill and Wong Lum Hoi. Both Si Dai of Wong Yun Lam.
Can you explain the Bak Hok Gong. As I have always been interested to know this gong.
Thanks

                        Wilson

http://www.southernmantis.co.uk

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hi wilson.
It’s my pleasure to meet a guy like u.
You seem to be a BakHokPai, are u?
or r u just interested?
If u r a BakHokPai, could u tell me who ur sifu is?

Yes, NgSuiJung DID train with ChuChiYu, but his principal teacher was WongLumHoi. After he learned all Wong could afford to him, Wong recommended him to Chu. ChuChiYu was known for his loyalty to SingLung, he stayed and took care of SingLung until the moment he passed away. He had few students. i forgot his students name at this moment, but i remember one of them got shot for political problem, and the other was famous as Haap(Knight).

BakHokSamFu-LukChiFu, KwongBonFu, ChanHokFu.

LukChiFu is one of NgSuiJung’s students, he passed away a while ago by throat cancer. but his school is still very active in HK, and it’s the biggest school of all BakHokPai. He was running the school in WanChai area with my sihing FanYeungJung.
NgMunFu… u mean the short, bald, kinda ugly guy, rite…? ^^ I dunno much about this person, but i know he used to promote KF for foreigners.
BakHokGong was created by SiTaiGung NgSuiJung
. I haven’t learned this one yet. Have u watched the picture? it’s an excercise for BakHok practitioner for so-called BakHok GungLik. It’s one of the highest set of BakHokPai, which means it doesn’t mean much for the ppl who dun reach that level. For them this would be just like a BaDuanJin(BaDoonGum).
This is how far i can say to u about BakHokGong. I advise you to ask ur sifu.

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Those two articles above r some evidences, that i&my relative proved that Tibetan MA is deadly. I strongly believe that i can send any of my family for the fight without a worry of losing(like Qing(Manchurian) emperors). We are Quality ppl, all of us r good fighters.
if u wanna experience that this is a deadly MA, challenge to ur local Tibetan MA sifu.

Like old saying, There’s no need to talk in MA, only the fist talks.

If u happen to live in vancouver, canada. U can e-mail me. then i’ll meet u.

E-Mail me, only if u r serious about this.

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Sorry, I never heard Dalai Lama practiced any MA.

one of the name for Tibetan MA is Lama, and it’s because of chinese monks, ppl calling it
LamaWuShu, cause it was a MA introduced by SiZang Monks.

As you hopefully know, Chinese buddhism and Tibetan Buddhism is different.
Han-Chinese buddhism is called Chan, while Tibetan buddhism is called Lama.

Do u like traditional chinese KF novels by any chance?

There r some BS in it, but read it for fun.
MatJongMuSeut(MiJongWuShu)[Tibetan MA] is always considered as the most mysterious and most deadly MA among Shaolin, Emei, WuDang…ETC. (But ShaoLin is the one who usually achieves a victory in the end, cuz they were written by Han-Chinese ppl.^^)

I advise u to think about this B4 u think about MA.

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Hi Warrenoh

No, I’ve never trained in Bak Hok. But it is kind of a common knowledge to know all these if you practise in HK. Luk Chi Fu esp, he is well known of his kung fu, Tit Da skills and lion dancing in CausewayBay.
Apart from him, Cheung Kwok Wah in Chun Wan is always another famous Sifu in your style.
The Bak Hok Gung with full details was published in the Bak Hok Martial Art Association Annual Magazine last yr or the year before. I shall get a copy of it thro my friends.
Thanks for the details in history.

                         regards

                             Wilson

http://www.southernmantis.co.uk

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Dear Wilson

Thnx for ur interest in BakHok and i appericiate u for identifying what style u r in.

But, this forum is for Tibetan MA ppl, and I would appreciate it, if u erase ur homepage URL.

regards

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Warrenoh
i was hopeing that you would be able to discuss the methods behind pak hok to back up your claim (that it is powerful) rather than resorting to ancient myths and folk lore about masters of days gone by.

So, is pak hok powerful or is what you say simply reflects that fact that you love yourselves too much?

I get the impression that you’re very into pak hok to the extent that an URL link to a southern mantis web page is enough to ruffle your feathers.

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Dear wildmanriot

Yes, i m very into Tibetan MA, and I DO believe and know that this is highly-effective MA. Just for ur reference, i work in a security business, i do the personal bodyguarding for multi-millinaire ppl from asia, and work as a doorman in the nite club, and Casino. My belief comes from my experience and my respect to my SiFus.

i read the other columns u wrote, and I can’t stop thinking that u just want to fool around.
Plz do NOT disturb my forum. if u still wanna do it, take it somewhere else.
This is a friendly FORUM for those who r into Tibetan MA.

Like i said, the stories above r not ancient myths. I dun wanna argue about this, it’s just a waste of time.
Again, like i said, there’s no need to talk,
only the fist talks, especially for a guy like u. if u really wanna know about the fighting principle behind the Tibetan MA, u can check out the URL above.
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/9358

when u learn MA, u not only learn the skills from the masters, but also traditional manners. The masters i m with is VERY traditional, and so m i, when it comes to MA.
Example) if someone does wingchun form in Lama school, ppl there find it very offensive. Same thing, if lama guy go to hunggar school, and advertise the lama school…
this kinda thing is considered as a challenge, and disrespect to the school.
manners… it’s all from the respect to the own system, or the other system.
MA ppl should have manners, and know how to respect others.

But, i admit i took it a bit serious about the URL thing, i kinda forgot that this was cyberspace.

Peace~ ^^

WuLinYiJia

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